S2 6.7 Junk Rig Conversion

  • 10 Jul 2022 03:22
    Reply # 12843482 on 6872873

    The usual cause of halyard twist - once new rope has settled down - is allowing the block(s) to swivel.  Yours are locked, aren't they?

  • 08 Jul 2022 14:09
    Reply # 12842176 on 6872873

    Thank you for the suggestions Annie and David. For now I decided to launch the boat so I can at least try to get sailing before the summer is over. I think I will sand out the existing checks and put some thickened epoxy and paint on them sometime soon. In the coming winter I will (somehow) remove the paint and any bad wood before putting glass and epoxy over everything.

    Yesterday with the help of two friends I got the boat from my house on the trailer to the mooring ball in 3.5 hours. That was a lot after already working all day.

    Here are the changes so far since last season:

    1. A 3 part halyard to replace the 2 part halyard I tried originally.
    2. White paint on the tabernacle. (I think it looks a little better now)
    3. Swim/Boarding ladder on the stern
    4. Rudder cracks ground out, filled and sanded, and the complete rudder painted
    5. New mast hinge arrangement
    6. Replaced the halyard with this rope. I hope this will eliminate the issues with rope twist.

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  • 29 Jun 2022 03:32
    Reply # 12832147 on 12826902
    Scott wrote:The small cracks in the plywood of the mast partners do not look so small anymore. I am trying to decide if this needs to be fixed right now before I use the rig or if this can wait until next winter for a repair.

    To me it looks typical of what happens with fir plywood.  I would never leave it without putting a layer of glass over it, to ensure that it is fully protected by epoxy.  The dry areas on the glass will tell you where to go back and then, of course, you will put another coat or two on to fill the weave.  I wouldn't bother with double bias myself - I find it difficult to wrap around corners and I don't believe you are actually needing more strength: just better protection. 

    I'd be inclined to take a heat gun to it, remove the paint (some of the epoxy will come with it).  This should show you if there's anything unpleasant going on, but I suspect all you will need to do is sand the shakes and maybe fill them.  Then I'd coat it, put the cloth on straight away and sqeegee the epoxy around to ensure there are no dry patches.  Ideally, the end result is matt, not shiny.  Another couple of coats and a slap of paint and that should be the end of it.

    So now you have two different ideas!!

  • 24 Jun 2022 21:24
    Reply # 12828139 on 12826902
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    Scott wrote:

    It has been a very slow start to the sailing season for me. My boat is still on the trailer at my house. Every time I think I am ready to launch something else comes up.

    The small cracks in the plywood of the mast partners do not look so small anymore. I am trying to decide if this needs to be fixed right now before I use the rig or if this can wait until next winter for a repair.

    I plan to sand, or grind or plane down the wood to remove the paint and then add 6 oz glass cloth and epoxy. Right now it it is plywood, un-thickened epoxy and paint. It seems like that is not good enough.

    I am embarrassed to show my sloppy epoxy work and even worse paint job, but I could really use some advice.

    Would anyone like to guess at how urgent this is?


    Hard to tell by just looking at that one photo and without the context of where it is in the overall structure. But assuming there is no rot in behind there this looks like cracking in the outer layers of plywood due to inadequate protection from weathering. But I would not let it stop me from going sailing. If it were me I would take to the area with some gentle grinding to remove the paint and see what is going on. Then to protect and strengthen I would put on probably two layers of double bias fiberglass cloth set in epoxy. Then I would get back to the priority of going sailing! If you do not have any double bias cloth then just some layers of regular woven cloth would do.
  • 23 Jun 2022 20:24
    Reply # 12826902 on 6872873

    It has been a very slow start to the sailing season for me. My boat is still on the trailer at my house. Every time I think I am ready to launch something else comes up.

    The small cracks in the plywood of the mast partners do not look so small anymore. I am trying to decide if this needs to be fixed right now before I use the rig or if this can wait until next winter for a repair.

    I plan to sand, or grind or plane down the wood to remove the paint and then add 6 oz glass cloth and epoxy. Right now it it is plywood, un-thickened epoxy and paint. It seems like that is not good enough.

    I am embarrassed to show my sloppy epoxy work and even worse paint job, but I could really use some advice.

    Would anyone like to guess at how urgent this is?


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  • 03 Jun 2022 16:13
    Reply # 12804569 on 12793664
    Arne wrote:

    PS: I guess nylon should work. Mine was made of 8mm line, I think it was, but 10mm should also be fine.

    I went way too big when I ordered this line. It is 3/4" which is about 19mm. I thought I would sleep better with something oversized attached to the mooring ball. I didn't think about it being too big for the deck cleats.

    Maybe I can use this rope to lift the boat off the trailer!

  • 25 May 2022 19:51
    Reply # 12793664 on 6872873
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Hi Scott

    Monofilament rope (versus multifilament) is when the tiniest element or fibre in a thread is endless. This happens when it is extruded and then spun together with other elements. The resulting line and rope look quite shiny or ’silky’. Remember, each natural silk thread is also ‘extruded’ from the silk worm, so are just about monofilament.

    You can have monofilament ropes, 3-strand or braided from any materiel, nylon, polyester or polypropylene, etc..

    Multifilament threads are spun from shorter fibres, for instance wool, hemp or chopped up nylon-polyester-or-whatever.

    Multifilament ropes, for instance on the outer layer of braided lines give better friction to the hand, so many prefer them. I on the other hand prefer halyards and sheets from monofilament (braided) rope because it stands up better to abrasion, so lasts longer. I compensate by using gloves, or my ‘Halyard Hauler’.

    The fact that the rope is a bit slippery and resistant against chafe was my reason for trying it on my soft euphroe (polyester).

    Good luck!

    Arne

    PS: I guess nylon should work. Mine was made of 8mm line, I think it was, but 10mm should also be fine.


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  • 25 May 2022 17:57
    Reply # 12793520 on 11129789
    Arne wrote:

    Scott,
    It appears that you have the same friction problem as I detected on my Ingeborg this spring. If you reread that write-up and in addition check this year’s appendix to it, you will find that I replaced that single thimble up there with a ‘soft euphroe’. This has cut the friction enough to make the upper sheetlet set well.

    Arne

    I would like to try building a 'soft euphroe' like you did. I am not sure what monofilament rope is called here in the US. My best guess is what stores here call 'hollow braided polypropylene'.

    I have some new nylon line that is too large for the cleats on my boat. Would nylon work OK, or do I need something else?


  • 25 May 2022 17:41
    Reply # 12793478 on 6872873

    I cut into the entire edge of the rudder with an oscillating multitool to inspect it. The top part of the rudder seems to be solid fiberglass. The crack running around the edge of this section was very much superficial. I think only the gelcoat cracked.

    And the cracks in the lower part of the rudder were, I think, limited to some fairing material used to make the foil shape. The first 5mm or so were very soft before I hit a very solid material.

    I filled the cut around the whole thing with thickened epoxy. Then I sanded. Then I filled again. Then I sanded again before finishing with several coats of topside paint and bottom paint.

    I have more confidence in my rudder and I think it looks a little better than before.


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  • 12 Nov 2021 10:44
    Reply # 12121308 on 12117257
    Scott wrote:

    I need to find a way to be in New Zealand by this time of year. A much bigger boat, maybe.
    Or you could pick up a second JR in New Zealand with the requisite accommodation and do a longer version of the annual "snow goose" migration so many in the colder north of the  USA do down to Florida. :-)
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