Galion 22 conversion

  • 15 Jan 2022 16:45
    Reply # 12265032 on 5070195

    I have now started sewing new jibs with 1100 mm chord, 10% camber and 12 deg sheeting angle. I will also make a new, continuous top panel. It’s very, very interesting to see the difference as soon as the sea ice melts in the spring.

  • 28 Dec 2021 08:50
    Reply # 12219274 on 5070195

    Just in case: I would prefer - but can't afford the cloth - making a new sail rather than start playing with extending the battens for longer jib chord.

    So the sail is for sale at least for a short while. I bet the mains would also make a nice, very high-AR sail without the jibs.

    Contact me, if interested. Price based on the price of the same cloth for a new sail.

  • 03 Nov 2021 13:24
    Reply # 12095950 on 5070195

    Thank you all,

    it’s getting clear that I will have some ”fun” next winter:

    1. Lengthen the battens and sailcatcher tubes by 250-300mm

    2. Make new jibs with 1050-1100 chord

    3. Make a new 1-part top panel with 30-35 deg yard angle, to replace top two panels and jibs

    4. Make an extension to the sailcatcher

    5. Make a new unalome sail insignia :)

  • 02 Nov 2021 19:12
    Reply # 12093684 on 5070195

    Hi Guys,

    There's little doubt in my mind that the shape of the top of the sail has a significant effect on the performance. Back in the '70s they modified the wing tip of the Trident 2's by removing the outward sweep at the tip to relieve the structural pressure. This resulted in us having to increase the fuel burn calculations for each flight. It wasn't a big amount, but it did illustrate how the tip angle and shape could effect efficiency.

    Coming up to date you only have to look at the wind tips of the latest designs to realise how much effort is being put into this area to squeeze the last drop of performance out of a wing for commercial gain.

    The same must apply to the shape of the top of any sailing rig. Anything that can be done easily to improve the lift/ drag ratio by reducing the tip losses is a gain in windward performance. In this area the average 'pointy head' Bermudan rig is rubbish. When I raced Merlin Rockets a rule change let us use a quite long full length top batten, which helped push the tip vortex further up the sail and quickly was adopted as it was necessary to have it if you wanted to win races. All modern high speed rigs appear to be square topped and will have the same effect.

    In 'Some Thoughts' I did mention the possibility of reducing drag with the lower yard angle, but now I think it is not just the yard angle but also the shape of the leech as well which is important. Looking at the photos of Jami's boat with the full rig there is quite a reduction in overall chord in the top panels. Trying to visualise the airflow it could be that the air splits on the yard, meets at the leech with the induced up and downward motion and the resultant vortex rolling down the tapered leech, leaving the sail near the top of the parallel section at some distance from the top, and effective reducing the height of the rig. By reefing the top panel the air might be able to curl over the 'yard' and give vortex lift (as with SST Concorde) and exit higher up and not be drawn down by the lesser tapered leech. If the vortex does leave higher than with full sail then the L/D ratio could be better and hence better performance.

    If I remember correctly it was in a mail to Graeme that I suggested that if looking for performance with no regard to aesthetics than I would make luff and leech parallel all the way up and make the yard longer than the battens to accommodate the yard angle of about 30 deg.

    In one of Tony Marchaj's books he describes a large yacht with a fairly long keel which had the bottom edge parallel to the water line. The performance was poor, so after water tank testing it was discovered that by changing the keel so that the bottom edge sloped downwards a few degrees from bow to stern without any significant increase in draught brought the performance up to the expected level. Where the modern trend is to have the leading edge of the keel vertical we must remember just how efficient the sloping leading edge of the Folkboat keel is, and for a fairly shallow draft can compete with the vertical keels.

    We have a lot to learn in this area, and with Jami's experiments we may have learned a little bit more. Excellent work.

    Cheers, Slieve.

  • 01 Nov 2021 10:27
    Reply # 12088634 on 5070195
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jami, I don’t think there is a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ yard angle as such. My first priority is to have a near-vertical halyard (or at least less than 20-30° away from the mast). This is to reduce friction and make the sail set and stack easily. The 70° yard angle was a result of me wanting to keep the mast balance low in the sails on Malena and Johanna. If I want a sail with more balance, I may divert from my ‘standard’ 70° yard to a lower one, as shown on Ketil Greve’s Kelt 8.50 (60° yard). On the sails of Frøken Sørensen and now on Ingeborg, the halyard’s slingpoint has been moved aft from the middle of the yard. On the shown photo of Ingeborg’s sail, the forward block is 5% and the aft block is 9% aft. I think I could go further on this with the blocks at, say 10 and 15% positions, if more mast balance is needed (not on Ingeborg). This will further unload the YHP and THP.
    When designing a rig, I often aim at a halyard angle of 15°. This is to give freedom to adjust the sail a bit forward or aft, to get correct helm balance.

    These days I am pondering on how far I could go on the sail’s mast balance before it gets instable. That ‘sweet spot’ (27-30%?) could be useful in keeping the sheet forces down if one wants to make a really large sloop JR of say 60-100sqm.


  • 01 Nov 2021 08:50
    Reply # 12088454 on 5070195
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I think that if you want a high-balance sail to"drape" nicely, with just the running parrel- downhails - and without the need for all those other ruuning lines - then I think you will find high balance calls for a lower yard angle. I guess Slieve or Arne or Paul will explain it better.

  • 01 Nov 2021 08:36
    Reply # 12088436 on 5070195

    One more thought:

    We know that Arne-type sails with a high-angle yard provide very good results. Could it be, that one should (depending on the sail type) choose a very low or a very high angle, and that the in-betweens are always a bad choice?

    Last modified: 01 Nov 2021 08:47 | Anonymous member
  • 01 Nov 2021 08:33
    Reply # 12088429 on 12088405
    Arne wrote:

    Interesting, Jami.
    Did you try that other method first; just reefing the sail?


    Yes :)

  • 01 Nov 2021 08:17
    Reply # 12088409 on 5070195
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I'm not sure if Slieve is following the forums all the time, if he doesn't chime in, then have an off-line chat with him about this, because what you seem to be saying sounds very consistent with some of the trials they did on Amiina's first sail, when developing the Mk ll sail. You might well be on the right track, with combined single top panel and longer yard. In addition to the new jibs.

    Last modified: 01 Nov 2021 08:28 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 01 Nov 2021 08:12
    Reply # 12088405 on 5070195
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Interesting, Jami.
    Did you try that other method first; just reefing the sail?


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