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  • 06 Mar 2017 17:57
    Reply # 4651041 on 4648722

    Vlad,

    We do use something similar to what you describe - not flexible, but permitting of articulation through a fixed angle:

    The simple form of hinge that I use. The double cone is turned from rigid uPVC bar, and the battens are of GRP tube. Most of the glass fibres are longitudinal, but some are spirally wound. Some extra reinforcement is added in way of the hinge.


  • 06 Mar 2017 17:02
    Reply # 4650923 on 4648722
    Deleted user

    David Tyler wrote

     The general opinion nowadays is that flexible battens are a bad idea - they don't bend when you want them to, in light breezes, and do bend when you don't want them to, in strong winds.

    What about flexible insert in the rigid batten in the place where you want it to be bent. We use it on the microlight wing's battens where the "S" shape is required.

    Vlad. 

      

    Last modified: 06 Mar 2017 17:04 | Deleted user
  • 06 Mar 2017 16:14
    Reply # 4650451 on 4648722
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    In the first posting I sent about this, which was accidentally erased,  I suggested a continuous line , like this:

    (click on it to enlarge)

    This was how I did it on one of my sails, see JRA Newsletter 26, p.15. All my other junksails have been fitted with batten pockets.

    Keep batten  -  from old rope
    Another method is to tie a rope from luff to leech and let that work as the 'keep batten'. The rope could well be a cheap old halyard or sheet. As long as it is thick enough to resist being pulled through the grommets, one can tie the batten to this rope with a separate tie at each grommet.  The ties themselves can of course be made of string or from cable ties. In my work as a maintenance engineer, I learned that the black outdoor ties, made by Panduit, would last forever. The white ones were used in-doors.

    Arne

    PS 20170307: Now I have fixed the diagram a bit...

    Last modified: 06 Mar 2017 23:53 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 06 Mar 2017 15:27
    Reply # 4650340 on 4648722
    Deleted user

    I've had cable ties holding my sail to battens for the last 3 years. No Florida sun here in the UK. They were a little lightweight for my sail (4.7mm) and I've had a few break. Not so many as to neutralise the advantages of their cheapness and convenience, however. I shall continue to use them (albeit in a slightly bigger size - 6.4mm).

  • 06 Mar 2017 15:09
    Reply # 4650320 on 4648722
    Deleted user

    I tried cable ties, they were cheap ones from a discount tool store. It was much faster than lashings for three sails and eighteen battens. In less than six months of Florida sun they were already giving out. No real time saving there. I would only recommend them for people in a big hurry to go sailing.

  • 06 Mar 2017 11:18
    Reply # 4650085 on 4650082
    peter johnson wrote:
    ... and for lashings use zip ties, as they are strong and easy to replace. Don't know of anyone who has tried them.
    We were talking about cable ties earlier - same thing. Use 6.4mm or bigger, made from UV resistant nylon. Some people like them; I don't.
  • 06 Mar 2017 10:53
    Reply # 4650082 on 4650013
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    David Tyler wrote:

    I've been aboard a big junk schooner that had twin battens bolted through eyelets in the sails. The weight to be hoisted was quite incredibly high, and the owner was looking for advice on how to decrease it. My advice was to have just the one batten, and reduce the other to the absolute minimum.

    The general opinion nowadays is that flexible battens are a bad idea - they don't bend when you want them to, in light breezes, and do bend when you don't want them to, in strong winds. 

    David thank you again

    I think I am going with your idea of GRP dowels. I also got someone who suggested duffle coat toggles and for lashings use zip ties, as they are strong and easy to replace don't know of anyone who has tried them

  • 06 Mar 2017 09:18
    Reply # 4650013 on 4648722

    I've been aboard a big junk schooner that had twin battens bolted through eyelets in the sails. The weight to be hoisted was quite incredibly high, and the owner was looking for advice on how to decrease it. My advice was to have just the one batten, and reduce the other to the absolute minimum.

    The general opinion nowadays is that flexible battens are a bad idea - they don't bend when you want them to, in light breezes, and do bend when you don't want them to, in strong winds. 

  • 06 Mar 2017 09:09
    Reply # 4650005 on 4648722
    Deleted user

    Has anyone any experience with lashing battens either side of the sail, my only experience so far is with a sail that had pockets.


    I would lie to know if there will be any difference in sailing performance.

    should I lash them tight or allow some slack in the lashings to try and create a better shape

    Pete

    Last modified: 06 Mar 2017 09:11 | Deleted user
  • 06 Mar 2017 09:03
    Reply # 4649995 on 4648740
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    David Tyler wrote:

    6mm GRP Rod

    David, thank you. 
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