Pondering Seablossom's rig

  • 20 Dec 2012 01:50
    Reply # 1163556 on 1163550
    Jeff McFadden wrote:
    Barry & Meps / Stellrecht & Schulte wrote:... snip ...

    I believe that 2:1 and especially 1:1 mix epoxies have some sort of "filler" in there and aren't as strong as the 5:1 compositions. But I should probably go check my facts before I spout off about it too much!
    Speaking of people who ought to check their facts (meaning me :-)  )... I thought West System was 5:2?
    Er, no. You buy 4 litres of resin and 800 ml of hardener as a matching set. Maybe imperial packaging is supplied in the States, but the ratio will be the same.
  • 20 Dec 2012 01:36
    Reply # 1163550 on 1163482
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    Barry & Meps / Stellrecht & Schulte wrote:... snip ...

    I believe that 2:1 and especially 1:1 mix epoxies have some sort of "filler" in there and aren't as strong as the 5:1 compositions. But I should probably go check my facts before I spout off about it too much!
    Speaking of people who ought to check their facts (meaning me :-)  )... I thought West System was 5:2?
  • 20 Dec 2012 01:23
    Reply # 1163543 on 726309
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    System 3 epoxies have a very good reputation in boat building.  The founders are chemical engineers and have compounded the product specifically for our uses.
    It is a 2 to 1 (by volume) product, but then West System's new G-Flex is a 1 to 1 epoxy and they are very proud of it for marine applications too.  And one I've used some.
    I probably just had bad luck with my one-and-only gallon of West System and pumps.  The hardener pump would go squirt-gasp-burble-squirt, leaving me with epoxy that, as one might expect, never hardened.
    I've built a few floating objects with System 3.  The most significant one was a middle pontoon for my pontoon boat cum houseboat, which, after I built the house, floated too low in the water, so I built a plywood pontoon with a transom well and a transom.  It gave me excellent service except when I ran it over some submerged wreckage from a steel bridge that had been blasted and dropped in a river that is no longer considered to be navigable.
    The annoying thing about that is I had run that stretch of river maybe 200 times and never stumbled upon this wreckage, and had to do it that day with a boatload of paying customers. 
    Fortunately for me, I'd built the pontoon with 5 separate watertight compartments, so I had plenty of floatation to get me home.
    I like System 3 because if I want a little tiny mix I can use kitchen-type measuring spoons, and mix, say, 2 tablespoons of resin with 1 tablespoon of hardener.  That's virtually impossible with pump dispensers, and it's amazing how often I want to do that.
    It's all in the goo, as they say.
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  • 19 Dec 2012 23:24
    Reply # 1163482 on 726309
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    During my refit I went through probably 5 gallons of West system epoxy with pumps. They worked just great for me, with two minor issues:
    1. When nearly empty they could suck air. I generally found safe ways of changing cans that worked around that.
    2. They sometimes need to be burped when I've got a long time between using them. This is only a problem because I'm too cheap to want to waste it. Sometimes I would burp them into another container.
    I couldn't tell if I ran out at exactly the same time or not because I worked through enough seasons to use two different speeds of hardner.

    I believe that 2:1 and especially 1:1 mix epoxies have some sort of "filler" in there and aren't as strong as the 5:1 compositions. But I should probably go check my facts before I spout off about it too much!
  • 19 Dec 2012 09:31
    Reply # 1163045 on 726309
    With temperatures going down it is benificial to warm the epoxy to 20 degC when mixing it.
    That will make mixing easier, but also improves the binding of the components.
    Just warm up don't heat!  Cooling down of the mix afterwards is ok.
    Rudolf
  • 18 Dec 2012 19:24
    Reply # 1162596 on 1161992
    Jeff McFadden wrote:I tend to use System 3, or Raka, both 2 to 1 mixes and therefore easy without pumps. I don't trust pumps.

    I'm using WEST system pumps on my 3rd gallon of epoxy - nearly finished.  The last two emptied in harmony and this looks set to do likewise.  It's extremely important to mix epoxy accurately, because the molecules of resin need to find the correct number of molecules of hardener to change their combined structure into a new polymer. If you have spare molecules wandering about, the epoxy is no longer entirely waterproof.  Hence the instruction to measure carefully and mix for a full minute.

    (You probably know this Jeff, but lots of people don't, so I thought it worth mentioning.)
  • 18 Dec 2012 14:37
    Reply # 1162414 on 1162209
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    Annie Hill wrote:So, small farmers had small hogs.  Do I take it that big farmers have big hogs? 

    But what I really want to know is how big the packs are that the rats carry!

    I wondered as I wrote that if pack rat was universal usage in the various flavors of English. I take it the answer would be no! :P
    Whatever you call a person with a lot of stuff, I'm married to her.
  • 18 Dec 2012 05:59
    Reply # 1162209 on 726309
    So, small farmers had small hogs.  Do I take it that big farmers have big hogs? 

    But what I really want to know is how big the packs are that the rats carry!
  • 18 Dec 2012 00:39
    Reply # 1162006 on 1161832
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    Paul Thompson wrote:Hi Jeff, it's really great that you are able to work again. I was worried that things may have come to a sad and premature end. So I hope that next summer it will be launch day for you and Seablossom.

    Annie's comments about encapsulation are spot on and the way to go. Alsob, remember, if it's too hot, you can start on the sail (if you have not already) as I assume your home is well shaded/air conditioned. As always, feel free to contact me if theres anything I can help with.

    Ah, I can only wish that I could work in my air conditioned home. My wife is a world class pack rat; there is no possible way to build a sail in here. I can sit here in the cool, but that's about it.
    My work building is a converted farrowing house, which was a structure where small farmers housed their sows to give birth and nurse their piglets. That was before your typical American hog housing structure covered an acre or more and contained several thousand hogs in confinement. It too contains several cubic meters of Gloria's junk, covering most of both long outside walls.
    Not that it matters. The outside walls are barely over a meter high - hogs aren't very tall. So if there weren't any junk along the walls I still couldn't stand up to work there.
    All that said, I have my saws and other tools in there, and what I can't do indoors I do out. And I have a wood stove in there, and a fair collection of trimmings from trees in the fence rows, and a great deal of scrap wood, for gentle heat, and if that's not enough I can fire up the diesel forced air heater and work through the stink. :x]
    (note smiley of self holding nose)
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  • 18 Dec 2012 00:16
    Reply # 1161992 on 1161779
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    Annie Hill wrote:Good on you, Jeff.  Great to fix a bodged job - you do feel better for it.

    If you encapsulate your beams in WEST system epoxy, you should have no problems with rot.  Or Everdur, which is easier to mix without pumps.

    Great that you are recovered sufficiently to get back to work on the boat.  Though no doubt it will soon be too cold ;-]

    I too was thinking about encapsulating my beams with epoxy. I tend to use System 3, or Raka, both 2 to 1 mixes and therefore easy without pumps. I don't trust pumps. I expect it to get too cold for epoxy, although it barely did last year and so far this year is much like it. It will have to get brutally cold before I can't warm up the interior enough to work on the diesel. This is part of why I haven't done much to it yet - don't want to waste this epoxying (if there is such a word) weather.
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