First off, I drew up a rough sketch of Seablossom's new mast and partner location. It's in my photo albums in a Seablossom's Sail... album
David Tyler wrote:Here we are again, with that tricky job of matching up the rig, the boat, the skipper and the waters. Seablossom has the kind of hull form that has given problems with the flat HM rig, which loses power too quickly as you begin to tack, and doesn't regain power quickly enough as you come out of the tack. She needs a more powerful rig. I don't think I would recommend a totally flat Fantail rig. I would always put some rounding on the head, which is where it does the most good, and I would always put just a little rounding on the edges of panels, where there is a seam under a batten, so that the luff and leech stay tauter and the middle of the panel is not "starved". But I think that's as far as you need go. As long as you're not looking for the last tenth of a knot to windward, but are content to sail well, and reliably (which is not the same thing as sailing fast) then the Fantail rig will suit you. If you want to sail fast, you have to add more power by cambering the panels; but if you simply want to get to where you're going, reliably, stay with the simpler sail.
I'm not known for speed. Built for comfort, as the old blues song said. So sailing less fast than others is not an issue to me. Getting stuck in stays is an issue. Make that a disaster, from my perspective. On the Brunk I can just lean up and back the sail, but I certainly don't want a real cruiser that fails to tack.
If I understand this post properly, what you are saying is to make a sail that is more generously cut than an out-and-out flat sail cut from whole cloth, but without the liberal camber Arne might choose. It would occur to me that in 19th century and before, in China, rigid flat fabrics would have been unimaginable, so that sounds like it might go with the reality of the Chinese tradition. All worthy of thought.
Many of those who sail conventional plastic pointy sail cruisers on Stockton lake (and yes, they are there, up to and beyond 40 feet) tend to sail downwind and motor back, but I don't want to do that. If I do sail the lake - not a foregone conclusion, but possible - I definitely want to be able to sail back to where I started from.
Paul Thompson wrote:
Jeff, you have a heavy displacement double-ender a type of hull that could not be more unsuitable for a flat sail than if you set out to design the most unsuitable hull for a flat junk sail. You need camber and doubly so if you sail on inland lakes where the winds are predominantly light. Without camber you will most likely have trouble tacking and light air performance will be poor to nonexistent.
A Fantail style sail with camber would work for you but at a cost of a more complex sailmaking process. Arne's method could of cause be applied to a Fantail style sail which would help simplify things a bit.
However if you want a sail that will "just work" and has a simple proven sailmaking method, I suggest that you stick with the Arne type sail that you were originally keen on.
PS. If you have mislaid the drawings, I can resend them to you.
PSS. The fact that I designed the Arne style sail for you does not come into it. It's just fact.
All true, and all noted. I must confess that the look of the Fantail sail is so attractive to my eye that it's worth extra consideration, and even extra work. I seem to be leaning right this minute toward an Arne / Fantail hybrid, although I guess that David's sail is already that, so perhaps I'm using too many words. Ah well, I do that. :-/