Alberg 30 JR Conversion

  • 28 Oct 2024 22:03
    Reply # 13424507 on 13422163
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Well, now I have given it another try, hopefully the last one. By shortening the battens and increasing the AR, I managed to keep the sail area on 40sqm.

    The mast balance is now 28.2%. I chose to go back to the 60° yard angle as this pushes the CE a little further forward than with 55° yard.

    Personally, I would not be afraid of trying this rig.

    Have a look, folks.

    Arne

    (full size diagram under Arne's sketches, section 8, photo16)

  • 28 Oct 2024 15:11
    Reply # 13424277 on 13422163

    Thanks, Arne.  If we were to reduce the sail area down to 40 square meters, and increase the aspect ratio a little, could that bring things into better balance?

    As a Bermudan rig the boat carries 38.1 square meters of sail.

  • 28 Oct 2024 10:24
    Reply # 13424181 on 13422163
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    This was difficult.
    I found that if  the mast is to go through that hatch, the mast balance in the sail would almost touch 30% to keep the CE of the sail in the same position as in the Bermudan rig.
    If the boat were mine, I would be very tempted to try it, but I would not push that sail onto others before it has been tried.
    That mast position almost require a SJR rig, which I know too little about.

    Arne

    PS: Anyway, I let you have a look.


    (Full size diagram in Arne's Sketches, section 8, photo 15)

    Last modified: 28 Oct 2024 14:09 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 27 Oct 2024 23:44
    Reply # 13424078 on 13422163

    Thanks, David.  I appreciate the feedback.  I think I will be pursuing the more straightforward sloop alternative, with the mast stepped through the forward hatch. I have a very robust retrofitted deck beam (under the existing mast step) just aft of the hatch, and I plan to use it to provide additional support to the mast partners.

    I will have my mast calculations reviewed this week, but based on my rudimentary calculations, using some data from the previous thread, for a 6063 aluminum light pole mast (34 foot LAP) show an 8 inch OD with a 0.25 inch wall yields a 2.6 factor of safety, and a 10 inch OD with a 0.188 inch wall yields a 3.1 factor of safely.  I think I'm in the right ballpark. 

  • 27 Oct 2024 08:21
    Reply # 13423900 on 13422163

    I'm somewhat reluctant to comment on rigs for this boat again, after the way that my suggestions of erring on the side of prudence and good seamanlike sense weren't well received last time; but since my name has been mentioned, perhaps I should.

    The problem with a Badger-like rig on this boat is that when the mainsail area decreases relative to the foresail area, both masts need to move aft in the boat. I think that the mainmast is likely to clash with the sliding main hatch. A PJR distribution of sail areas, 67/33, would seem to put the mainmast just forward of this interference, with the smaller foremast being well forward and clear of the V berths. This is a practical possibility.

    Yet I would question whether it's necessary to go for a schooner rig. 450 sq ft in a single sail, on a mast stepped through the forehatch area, seems to be reasonable and practical, without impacting the accommodation too badly. I think I'd favour it, using one of the 40ft hurricane-proof flagpoles you mention. Possibly the 8 inch thicker-walled variant (subject to verifying by calculation)?

    Last modified: 27 Oct 2024 09:11 | Anonymous member
  • 26 Oct 2024 10:57
    Reply # 13423707 on 13423400
    Anonymous wrote:

    The Alberg 30 was actually discussed four years ago.

    The Junk Rig Association - Alberg 30 Conversion Viability


    Arne

    Thanks, Arne.  I would like to explore what David Tyler suggested in this thread- The Alberg 30 as a Junk Schooner.  I want the rig to be offshore capable, and I like the idea of spreading the loads, and bringing down the CE.  The boat seems right on the cusp in terms of sail area and size, and could be both a sloop or a schooner.

    Attached are a few drawings of the junk schooner rig applied to a Benford dory style boat of about the same displacement. At 500 square feet of sail, this seems on the high end, but reasonable for the Alberg 30.  

    What does the group think?

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  • 25 Oct 2024 15:36
    Reply # 13423400 on 13422163
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    The Alberg 30 was actually discussed four years ago.

    The Junk Rig Association - Alberg 30 Conversion Viability


    Arne

  • 24 Oct 2024 20:17
    Reply # 13423127 on 13422163

    Thanks, Zane. I really appreciate the support. Looking at the Twister 28 I can definitely see the similarities.  I have looked at some Contessa 26's, and they were just a little small for my needs, so I can see where the Twister 28 design fits in well for someone looking for just a little more boat. 

  • 24 Oct 2024 19:29
    Reply # 13423109 on 13422163

    There are many men and women on this forum that will be able to help you and point you in the right direction, however technical rig design is not my strength, so my contribution to your exciting decision is that the Alberg 30 is one of my very favourite boats, and if they had any in NZ I would have purchased one to convert.  Instead, I found an equally classic design as in a Twister 28, same heavy displacement type of old fashioned classic plastic boat with folkboat roots of the 60's and 70's.  I really hope you do go through with it, it will be the best decision of your life in regards choosing a junk rig for an Alberg, and all the hard work when you splash and sail your junked rig Alberg will be worth it.  Go well.

  • 23 Oct 2024 16:23
    Reply # 13422512 on 13422163

    I have attached a few relevant documents from a previous Alberg 30 thread. As well as sample of light poles that I could procure locally as a starting point for mast selection. 

    My preference is to put the mast through the existing forward hatch opening, allowing me to take advantage of a very robust beam under the existing mast step for additional support.

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