Ideal live aboard sized yacht

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  • 24 Feb 2013 12:59
    Reply # 1225121 on 1197363
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    We, Kathy and I, have lived aboard two different boats since 1997. 

    The first was a Grampian 26 which we lived on seasonally from May to October in Canada then ventured further afield to the Caribbean for a couple of years. Granted there was not much room, it was and remains the most fun I ever had with a boat. Large enough to cruise offshore but small enough to really sail just for the fun of it. Inexpensive to buy and operate.

    The second, the Badger 34 is ideal for long term cruising and gives a little more room for living in and marginally more room for storage its greatest feature is its exceptional seaworthiness. We can carry more potable water which is important and the galley is a luxury that cannot be under estimated. Easy Go has allowed us to cruise safely further afield.

    We have always had good size tenders. we are still using the tender from the Grampian and we found it used in 2003. I've thought of replacing this tender with something else but cannot justify it until it wears out. It is a Walker Bay 8 which resembles a garbage can but has lasted much longer than anticipated.

    When long term cruising is over for me I think I'd like to go back to a smaller boat for day and weekender sailing.
  • 24 Feb 2013 11:31
    Reply # 1225085 on 1197363
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    Gary Pick wrote:Kerry and I are exploring the option of getting a bigger yacht, say 34 ft and living aboard. We need to get out and do a good bit of sailing in Redwing first...just to make sure it's what we want to do. The idea though would be to find a suitable yacht, convert to a schooner junk rig. The money we would have left over would be invested and we'd use the interest to supplement income. This option gives us a cruising home and a good size chunk of cash in the bank, where as selling and buying another house just gives us extra expenses.
    I don't want to build another yacht, been there and done that. As 2nd hand Badgers are a bit on the rare side I'll need to look at other possibilities. Such as buying a suitable yacht as I've mentioned above or look for an unfinished project that just requires rigging.
    I would be interested in hearing what other would consider to be the required specs for a good live aboard for two but allowing for a visitor or two?
    I know the Hans Christen 32 has a very good below deck layout but it requires a good puff of wind to get it moving.

    It's an interesting subject.
    Like everyone my experience is limited to what I know:
    I lived aboard and cruised full time for 2 years with 2 toddlers on a 33' Eric, 1½ years on a 35' Wylo II with 2 kids and a baby and 1 year with 2 teenagers and a kid, this last time without the mother as she was busy otherwise.
    Also for the last trip, we did not live aboard full-time as we now have a house to keep the unwanted stuff.
    I think my size limitation would be dictated mostly by the ability to carry one but preferably 2 rowing dinghies.
    On both boats we had 2 dinghies: a Tortoise and an Elegant Punt on the Eric and a Nymph and a 10½' own design on the Wylo.
    Another item that I would definitely have for living aboard is a bicycle but for that the boat doesn't need to be big.

    It is also possible to reduce the size of the boat by eliminating the engine but deck or davit space for a dinghy is a must in my opinion.


  • 23 Feb 2013 01:33
    Reply # 1224420 on 1197363
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    I'm familiar with  Freedom 33 conversion on Flutterby, in addition to one that Pete Hill did, a Freedom 28 conversion that worked bur I believe required rudder modifications, and Brian's Freedom 39.

    Without fully drawing anything up, I would be inclined to say that any freedom design would be possible to convert pretty successfully to junk without moving masts or replacing them.

    The cat ketches and cat schooners have more stable cruising oriented hulls. They take junk sails in a pretty straightforward way.

    I think most of newer "cat sloops" which have a rig shaped like an overgrown hobiecat tend to have fin keel/spade rudder/oversized-dinghy style hulls that I consider racey and too nimble for an ideal cruiser, but a great protected waters cruiser/racer. These boats have a mast that is far enough aft that I think a split rig or other variant happy with ~35% balance would be needed.
  • 12 Feb 2013 21:24
    Reply # 1207029 on 1206052
    Gary Pick wrote:I'm thinking a Freedom 39 might be a good choice. The mast locations would be similar so minimal disturbance below.
    Hi Gary. That's what we bought (see left), in the UK. Before buying we looked at a Freedom 39 Express owned by an Aussie called 'Marno' then living aboard in Essex. He and his partner sailed her from the US vai the UK and back to Oz. She was a fine vessel and I'm sure that's her - I know he was thinking of selling once they got back. Our conversion to schooner junk was by Robin Blain, Alan Boswell and Chris Scanes. No messing below at all. Any questions, suggest ask me off forum.
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  • 11 Feb 2013 21:15
    Reply # 1206074 on 1197363
    I should have a yarn with him. Finding one in our price range could be tricky, they seem to hold their value quite well.
  • 11 Feb 2013 20:48
    Reply # 1206057 on 1197363
    She is now owned by member Roy Denton. jds
  • 11 Feb 2013 20:40
    Reply # 1206052 on 1197363
    I'm thinking a Freedom 39 might be a good choice. The mast locations would be similar so minimal disturbance below. I know Pete Hill was involved in rigging a Freedom as JR a while back.
  • 10 Feb 2013 15:37
    Reply # 1203963 on 1197363
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    Beuhler's 37' Jenny is pretty good. Says it can be planked with plywood but retaining all those frames. With the Badger, Jay Benford has designed it taking advantage of plywood's unique properties thus a very strong and light hull.
    GaryP may have been wishing he was building a Badger rather than the Hartley, I was dreaming of a Bolger AS29 or 39 while doing our build. I mean there's nothing wrong with a Badger, just its not easy to install tabernacle free standing masts on one without buggering the interior. The Bolger would be great for getting under the low traffic bridges at Fremantle, shoal draft would suit the Mandurah inland waterways and be an excellent live aboard. But I could not find any evidence of them being good sea boats, there was plenty of arm chair opinion that they weren't, just no practical experience recorded anywhere. There was a rumour of an AS39 which had crossed the Atlantic and that was all, so had to drop the idea. Since then, the AS39 sailors have appeared on the net and have confirmed it as very sea worthy indeed. 

    Slightly bummed.
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  • 10 Feb 2013 09:22
    Reply # 1203873 on 1197363
    I think George Buehler's comment was that you could choose a big small boat (like Serrafyn ) or a small big boat (like Badger, though GB was thinking of something a lot bigger).  I am not a great fan of Bueher's designs but like his philosophy and he is also very amusing.  I remember a story the yacht designer Bob Perry told about George.  George turned up in Perry's offices uninvited, to tell him how stupid his designs were.  They had a vigorous debate that became so heated that George stormed off leaving his pipe and tobacco behind.  By the time he came back they had both cooled down and could see the funny side of it.  They ended up being close friends.  My boat, Arion, is firmly in the big little boat category but I am firmly in the little big boat camp.  I can only explain it by pointing out that lots of guys marry brunettes when they lust after blondes...
  • 10 Feb 2013 03:40
    Reply # 1203772 on 1197363
    All the cruising yachties in the marina live on recommend 40ft as the ideal size for long term live aboard. We were invited aboard a couple for a look see and I have to say the amount of room is seductive.
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