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Ideal live aboard sized yacht

  • 06 Feb 2013 00:25
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    Reply # 1199927 on 1199731
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    Gary Pick wrote:Okay two boats to choose from so far, one in Portugal, looking ready to sail and one in Spain requiring a good bit of work. As I've said I don't have the cash yet and my valid offshore experience is pretty much nil. So a possible option, assuming either boat is still up for grabs and I don't find something closer to home is transport by deck cargo. Does anyone have any idea on the cost of this?
    You might find some info on that from this thread in the cruisers forum.
    Looks like 10% gst plus 5% luxury tax, not calculated from your purchase price, but Custom's (much higher) estimation of retail in Aus.
  • 05 Feb 2013 23:56
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    Gary Kepper wrote:
    Gary King wrote:
    I adopted George Buehler's line. Build the biggest boat that fits in your yard. Stretched mine to fit.
    Good thing you don't live on a ranch! hahaha...)

    I have George's book, he genuinely believes everyone should be on 60' boats. Lucky indeed I dont live on a ranch, I'd like to go sailing in my lifetime.
  • 05 Feb 2013 23:49
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    True David I appreciate the correction, Tolerate does imply a negative.
  • 05 Feb 2013 23:45
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    Gary King wrote:
    I adopted George Buehler's line. Build the biggest boat that fits in your yard. Stretched mine to fit.
    Good thing you don't live on a ranch! hahaha...)

  • 05 Feb 2013 23:00
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    Gary Pick wrote:Okay two boats to choose from so far, one in Portugal, looking ready to sail and one in Spain requiring a good bit of work. As I've said I don't have the cash yet and my valid offshore experience is pretty much nil. So a possible option, assuming either boat is still up for grabs and I don't find something closer to home is transport by deck cargo. Does anyone have any idea on the cost of this?
    I don't know, but if you contact someone like


    I think you'll find that the answer is "way too much".

    Look at it another way: you're keeping Redwing long enough to sail up and down the NSW coast and learn the trade. The coast of Portugal and NW Spain is very similar to that coast, so if you bought a boat there, you could go on with the learning experience. Then, you're perfectly placed to do the easy run down to the Canaries, and on across the pond. As I said recently, if you can handle coastal sailing, then crossing an ocean is actually easier, it's just a psychological hurdle that needs to be tackled and overcome. You certainly wouldn't be alone, sailing from Portugal to Australia, as so many people are doing that run that there is always plenty of help around. So you might well sail back to Australia, but if you're going to live on the boat, then home is where the boat is!
  • 05 Feb 2013 21:52
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    David Tyler wrote:but on the other hand everyone who has a boat says "if only she were two feet longer, she would be big enough to fit everything in",

    Not me, mate.  I've never said that since I had Badger, and still don't say it now, on Fantail. I know I'm always going on about small is beautiful and less is more, but I walk the walk, too :-)
  • 05 Feb 2013 21:34
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    Reply # 1199731 on 1197363
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    Okay two boats to choose from so far, one in Portugal, looking ready to sail and one in Spain requiring a good bit of work. As I've said I don't have the cash yet and my valid offshore experience is pretty much nil. So a possible option, assuming either boat is still up for grabs and I don't find something closer to home is transport by deck cargo. Does anyone have any idea on the cost of this?
  • 05 Feb 2013 21:03
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    Brian, I'm a while off having the cash but I would seriously consider buying her. My only problem would be getting her back here, my sailing experience is quite limited. I would also need to look into import duty into Australia.
  • 05 Feb 2013 17:57
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    Reply # 1199510 on 1199215
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    Gary Kepper wrote:A good philosophy on the subject, 

    Buy the smallest boat you can tolerate, not the biggest boat you can afford.
    H'mmm. I'd put it as "buy/build the smallest boat that is fit for your purpose". I wouldn't want to feel that I was 'tolerating' my boat.

    Somewhere between those two limits is the right-sized boat. Another similar saying is "don't be over-boated". All boats are too big when you're cleaning and painting the bottom, and paying for size-related equipment - but on the other hand everyone who has a boat says "if only she were two feet longer, she would be big enough to fit everything in", and all boats are too small when the crew's on bad terms with each other...  

    Having said all that, I built the biggest boat I could afford, and could go on affording to keep maintained, but I would add the modifier "easily" to "afford". Leave a margin when you're budgeting, don't stretch the budget to its limit. 

    Another saying to remember is "Boats cost twice as much to build, and take twice as long to build, as the number you first thought of".
  • 05 Feb 2013 15:43
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    Gary Kepper wrote:A good philosophy on the subject, 

    Buy the smallest boat you can tolerate, not the biggest boat you can afford.
    I adopted George Buehler's line. Build the biggest boat that fits in your yard. Stretched mine to fit.
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