Coping with 2 sails

  • 24 Sep 2018 12:56
    Reply # 6689473 on 6688809

    Well, thank you, David and David! 

    I would never have expected so quick and complete replies. Again, not like it was needed, but it convinces further me of the spirit of this forum and the friendliness of all it's members!

    So, your answers are quite reasuring to me.

    I am very tempted by the boat listed on "Swap, sell or buy" as "Liz - 11.2m junk rig schooner". What keeps me then? Well I am a french citizen, the boat is english, so it makes things more complicated. But the main reason is, what do I do with it until I am ready to sail, that is, not before 2 years time I guess.
    The plan is to move from south of France to West Indies, so it means organizing a transatlantic crossing, at the same time as selling our actual home, finding a piece of land there, build a house, organizing our move, settle down so my wife can continue working (she'll be retired only 5 years after me).But who knows. 

    So, you see, coping with 2 junk sails now seems a very secondary worry!

    Please feel free to comment and tell me what you think!

    Last modified: 24 Sep 2018 12:58 | Anonymous member
  • 24 Sep 2018 09:06
    Reply # 6689312 on 6688809


    Any difficulty with two sails stems from the fact that there are two of everything, and twice as much rope. So, tidiness in the cockpit, and thinking about rope tail stowage, matter more than they do with a single sail. You can offset that with the thought that the loadings are less with two sails, and there are more sail-setting options. So yes, the crossover point comes at about 9 - 10m LOA, or about 40 sq m total area of sail, depending on the strength of the crew and how methodical they can be with their rope handling. 

  • 24 Sep 2018 00:19
    Reply # 6688918 on 6688809

    Hi Patrick,

    the reason for two masts is sail size. The cross over point seems to be about 32 feet or when the sail exceeds 700 square feet. 20 feet seems to be the maximum length for stock timber and aluminium extrusions and sails over about 500 square feet need battens longer than this unless you go with a very high aspect ratio. Battens longer than 20 feet seem to break much more easily in my experience. With a junk rig you normally only set one sail on a mast so if you need more sail area you need more masts!

    As far as handling is concerned two sails are no problem, in fact they can provide a much more balanced rig that is quite easy to get to self steer from hard on the wind to a quartering reach. In fact I have had a schooner rig where the sails could overpower the helm's ability to steer the boat. The sails needed to be adjusted in order to bring the boat from hard on the wind to a broad reach, the helm alone was not enough. Yes setting sail means you have to raise two sails but I never found this to be a problem. Sheeting in you sheet the foresail in first, then pull in the aft sail until the helm balances and you are set. When bearing off you let out the aft sail first then adjust the foresail until the helm is balanced, this usually means the foresail will be sheeted in tighter than the aft and the resulting "v" between the two sails gives the self steering effect.


  • 23 Sep 2018 22:38
    Message # 6688809

    Hi everybody,

    Being new to junk rigs, owning for the moment a small (7 meters) bermudian, I know my next boat will definitely be junk rigged (and bigger). 

    While looking at the used junk rigged boats on the market, considering budget, geographic location, equipment, etc, I often come across 2 masted boats.
    I was wondering if someone could tell me how difficult (if) it is to cope with 2 junk sails instead of one.

    I have never sailed a junk rig before, I have only been convinced by all I read about the advantages and pleasure it would bring. 

    One, or two sails?

    I thank you all in advance, for sharing your opinion and advices.

       " ...there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in junk-rigged boats" 
                                                               - the Chinese Water Rat

                                                              Site contents © the Junk Rig Association and/or individual authors

Powered by Wild Apricot Membership Software