Galion 22 conversion

  • 14 Sep 2018 10:37
    Reply # 6668797 on 6668796
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Can you say what are the potential risks, should I leave the sail this way?

    The yard is already quite stong.


    I think you'll be fine with your modified sail.

    A.

  • 14 Sep 2018 10:35
    Reply # 6668796 on 5070195

    Can you say what are the potential risks, should I leave the sail this way?

    The yard is already quite stong.

  • 14 Sep 2018 10:32
    Reply # 6668795 on 6668791
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Yes,

    The balance is affected a bit, which might indeed explain a bit of the change. However, it can’t be the reason for the drive/heel change, can it?


    The point is, we cannot know if the felt increase in drive from the sail, in fact is that, or if it is a result of reduced drag.

    Arne

    Btw, when we sail fully close-hauled, it is actually the lift of the sail which is the main contributor to heeling the boat. Could it be that the lower yard moved the centre of pressure far enough down to make the boat sail more upright, even with the same sail area set?

    Last modified: 14 Sep 2018 10:36 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 14 Sep 2018 10:26
    Reply # 6668791 on 5070195

    Yes,

    The balance is affected a bit, which might indeed explain a bit of the change. However, it can’t be the reason for the drive/heel change, can it?

  • 14 Sep 2018 10:20
    Reply # 6668789 on 5070195
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Interesting, Jami.

    Your improvement may be from aerodynamic reasons, but I suspect that it has more to do with improved steering balance,

    I had exactly the same experience when I replaced my hinged-batten sail (Newsletter 24) with the first cambered panel sail in 1994 (NL 30). The sail felt to give more drive with less heeling. My guess is that the felt increase in drive was actually that the rudder was not braking the boat any more. Btw, the blue cambered panel sail had a 68° yard, while the peaking of the yard of the original sail was 60°.

    Does the flatter yard result in you setting the sail with more balance (further forward)? Could that be the answer? Your photo appears to indicate this.

    Arne

    PS: I cannot see any potential problems or traps caused by your latest mod. If it feels good, it is good...


    Last modified: 14 Sep 2018 10:30 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 14 Sep 2018 06:46
    Reply # 6668697 on 5070195
    I might be opening a Pandora’s box here, or show my own laxk of understanding, but here goes:

    Yesterday I was sailing in 8-10 m/s winds, with moderate swell. With three and four panels the boat felt to be lacking drive, and suddenly I had the feeling that the top panel was acting mostly as a heeling vector.

    To test this I lashed the upmost batten to the yard and hoisted the sail (while understanding that the slingpoint and YHP were far from optimal positions).

    What happened blew me away.

    The boat started to behave. It felt like the heel/drive -ratio (or whatever you call this) was way better than before, both with three and four panels. The change was also very apparent on the rudder pressure. The difference in the aggressive motion in following wind in a swell was also signifcant.

    All in all, the boat sailed better and felt like a different boat.

    What happened here?

    The top panel has very little camber, maybe 2-4%. In this experimental sail the top panel has significantly more, and the shape is also more horizontal. 

    Is this the main component? Or the reduced twist (with the top batten now sheeted instead of batten two)? 

    Or is it just the sail area vs height, that reduces heeling?

    The Galion has about 50% ballast, but a very modest draft (1-1.1m). Could it be that this boat just loves the drop in the sail height vs sail area so much, that the change is this dramatic?

    I was going to leave the bottom panel away for the next season and cut about 70cm of the mast. Now it feels like I should drop the top panel, which would make it possible to cut even more (and further reduce the heeling momentum).

    Aesthetics aside: what kind of  risks or potential problems would I get? More stress on the yard?

    What would I lose (along with Unalome, my sail insignia)?

    Woul it be possible to gain the better sailing qualities while keeping the top panel?

    (Disclaimer: the effect might have been caused by my misintepration, my mistakes while sewing the sail or doing the sheeting arrangement, me being a lousy JR-sailor or some other things.)

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    Last modified: 14 Sep 2018 07:11 | Anonymous member
  • 11 Sep 2018 14:05
    Reply # 6664229 on 5070195

    It's where you have two or three clutches or jammers next to one another that you can get kinks or tangles if the lines are just feeding out of a heap on the cockpit sole. That applies to my parrels as well as the sheets. I now separate the two sheets, and have one on each side of the cockpit, when I want to be sure they'll run out without snagging. 

    But as you say, the advantages outweigh those snags that sometimes happen, even on the best-regulated boats.

  • 11 Sep 2018 08:27
    Reply # 6663800 on 5070195

    Hypothetically in a situation where a fast release of sheets is needed. The amount and number of sheeting rope (1x5-part vs 2x3-part in my case) also makes it more possible for some kind of entanglement in a situation when this is not a good thing (like it ever would...).

    But as I said, I think I gained more.

  • 11 Sep 2018 07:17
    Reply # 6663786 on 6662929
    Jami wrote:

    Tested a two-part sheeting arrangement today, with good results.

    More hassle, in some situations maybe even dangerous, but I (and the boat) like this better. 

    Where do you perceive hassle and danger, Jami?
  • 10 Sep 2018 20:19
    Reply # 6662929 on 5070195

    Tested a two-part sheeting arrangement today, with good results.

    More hassle, in some situations maybe even dangerous, but I (and the boat) like this better. It’s nice to be able to control the twist (to a certain extent) and also to spill some wind on the upoer panels if needed. The two-part sheet also seems to act more kindly to the upper part of the sail and mast - because of thet sheeting angle, the top panels were easily pulled too much downwards and they even made the topmast bend a bit, if the skipper was acting carelessly. With the two-part sheet this is easier to control also.

    Last modified: 11 Sep 2018 04:25 | Anonymous member
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