Galion 22 conversion

  • 14 Apr 2021 10:53
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    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Here's a couple of photos from Annie's blog May 2020

    (Scroll down to the bottom of the above link for more details)




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  • 14 Apr 2021 10:20
    Reply # 10311129 on 5070195
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    Rip here...

    The line of drilled holes for the Warram hinges looks like a “rip here”-message. Since the new Dyneema line is so strong, I would be inclined to increase the distance between the holes to reduce the chance for the wood to split. When we repaired that Tiki 21, a couple of the holes had been ripped open (plywood). We mended it with epoxy.

    Arne


  • 14 Apr 2021 09:54
    Reply # 10310954 on 5070195
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    Jami,
    I have only had my hands on Warram-style hinges once, when helping a friend with re-lashing the hinge of his Tiki 21.

    The bad thing was that I found it very difficult to get the lashings taut, and then tie it off. The good thing is that the Dyneema line is immensely strong.
    If I were to use Warram hinges, I would first do some practicing on some plywood offcuts. I think I would fit a cleat about 10-15 cm from each hinge and tie off the hinge-line to this. That would let me tighten (and re-tighten) the lashing and thus ensure the hinge would be nice and tight. I bet others here have better ways of securing the line. I most definitely am not an expert on this!

    The flat iron I suggested to strengthen the skeg could still be used, but then hidden with a piece of hardwood on top of it to make the (tapered) trailing edge. Now I have produced a sketch to help myself visualising the Warram hinge (minus the line).
    Take a look. I think it is doable.

    Arne

    PS: only now did I see the recent postings below ;-) ...
    PPS: Oak should do fine as hardwood, and is most probably available in Finland.


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  • 14 Apr 2021 08:40
    Reply # 10310620 on 5070195
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    Jami, sorry for the spelling mistake.

    I have not applied glass cloth to hardwood so can not advise, maybe someone else can advise you there. My own intention was simply to seal the hardwood with epoxy resin, as I can not see the point of using glass on hardwood and intuitively it does not seem necessary or a good idea - but maybe I can learn something if someone else chimes in.

    I never thought about the difficulty regarding tropical hardwoods, conservation etc. Here we have access to Australian hardwoods such as jarra, which are extremely dense and strong. It is expensive, but only a small amount is needed. I would also consider iroko which we can get here - or any strong tough, stringy wood. I would just look around for the toughest wood locally available and which does not have environmental issues. Don't forget you are spreading the load over quite a long hinge, compared to just a pair of gudgeon/pintles. 

    Others can advise better, but I think maybe you are over-thinking the requirement.

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  • 14 Apr 2021 08:25
    Reply # 10310577 on 5070195

    Graeme,

    would you glass over the hardwood?

    As you can see in my photos (see earlier posts), I have glued a stripe of carbon mat at the front edge of the basic rudder. This will be left under the 2x600 + 1x200 gsm biaxial glass I was going to use on the rudder. 

    Sourcing hardwood is quite difficult in Finland. Not impossible, however - but I would't like to go this way unless I really have to. Environmental and human right issues concerning tropical wood is one part of the puzzle.

    PS. I'm not offended even a bit - but if you want to use my real name, it's a finnish name Jami, not an english Jamie :)

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  • 14 Apr 2021 08:15
    Reply # 10310560 on 5070195
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    I have not used the Warram Lashings before, but hope to use that system on my scow. I had planned to run a piece of hardwood down the transom to the bottom of the skegs. I had also planned on a hardwood strip down the inside edge of the rudders, rounded to a semicircle - and extended to also form the leading edge of the balanced portions.

    Would this not be the way for Jamie too, if he decides to use a Warram lashing? I think hardwood would be a better starting point for the lashings than a metal strip, and still very strong.




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  • 14 Apr 2021 07:47
    Reply # 10310532 on 5070195

    The Wharram lashings would leave the smallest gap between the skeg and the rudder. And I still have the lack of a proper ss-welder close by...

    Anyone familiar with the lashings: why is a 3mm rebate needed? It would seem one can make the edges of the skeg and rudder much stronger with glassing without one?

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  • 13 Apr 2021 19:48
    Reply # 10308706 on 5070195
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    Think of a number, say 3-5mm. The iron is mainly meant to take the side forces from the skeg and rudder, but it would be convenient to weld on gudgeons for hinges as well...

    Arne

  • 13 Apr 2021 19:06
    Reply # 10308538 on 5070195

    Wow,

    how thick a steel bar? Could I use this with the Wharram lashings?

    (and thank you Arne for taking the effort of sketching)

  • 13 Apr 2021 16:42
    Reply # 10308073 on 5070195

    Thanks, Arne, your sketch is exactly what I was visualising for the skeg, but was too lazy to draw!

    Having made that, with a flat after face, the rudder then needs a semicircular leading edge, set close to the skeg, whether there are metal fittings or lashings. Metal fittings would be recessed into that leading edge.  


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