Bio-based composites

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  • 29 Aug 2017 15:09
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    Annie Hill wrote:

    I've always thought, myself, that it's the resin, rather than the glass, that used more finite resources and had the major carbon footprint.


    Annie,
    you could be right, but I am not so sure. Producing glass itself takes quite some energy per kilo, as it has to be heated up to over 1500°C. I don’t know the weight ratio of fibre to resin, but with today’s vacuum-bagging, there may well be more fibre than resin in the finished product.

    Btw. the use of organic fibres for such jobs is not new. The body of the East-German car, Trabant, was for decades made from cotton-fibre reinforced Bakelite.

    There is nothing new under the sun...

    Arne

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  • 29 Aug 2017 14:52
    Reply # 5053889 on 5049554

    Interesting. A boat made from flax and bio-based epoxy would be just perfect for we beard- and sandal- wearing types. I don't need another boat, but ...

  • 29 Aug 2017 13:52
    Reply # 5053791 on 5049554

    Flax fibre is used by small scale surfboard and ski manufacturers, along with 'bio' resin.

    (if interested in Skiing, check out Lonely Mountain Skis in Scotland)

    Easy composites in UK sell woven flax, about 5x ££ of glass.

    cheers

    Mark

    ps google flaxcat and you get non-clumping cat litter, not so good for reinforcement!

     

  • 27 Aug 2017 21:58
    Reply # 5051193 on 5049554

    I've always thought, myself, that it's the resin, rather than the glass, that used more finite resources and had the major carbon footprint.

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  • 27 Aug 2017 11:41
    Reply # 5050636 on 5049554

    Bonjour

    there is expertise building on the subject for years on south Britanny around "l'université de Bretagne sud" at Lorient.

    They already built a mini 6.50 (50% carbon 50% flax) racer, kayack and a trimaran dayboat (out of a standard glass mold). There are already industrial productions of boards (surf, standing paddles...). The prices are estimated to be 10% higher. The infusion process is different but not more complicated than with glass.

    The market should be mainly for cars, airplanes and windmills. R&D is conducted at European level. 

    http://www-limatb.univ-ubs.fr/le-lin-technique-pour-composites-une-filiere-en-mouvement--371318.kjsp?RH=presentation_limatb

    http://www.notox.fr/

    http://www.sicomin.com/products

    Eric


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  • 26 Aug 2017 13:46
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    Mooching around the Falmouth Maritime Museum today, I learned a new thing. NPSP in the Netherlands has taken flax fibres and made something similar to glass fibre copped strand mat, but at a quarter of the weight. Then they've made a catamaran, the "Flaxcat", using the vacuum bagged resin infusion method. Weight for weight, the laminate is thicker and stiffer than GRP.

    The good news: it has quite a pleasant, brown, woody appearance. Not at all like frozen snot.

    The bad news: currently, it costs ten times as much as glass fibre, as it's not in large scale production. That should improve, eventually.

    http://bio-based.org/homebericht/foodhallen-amsterdam/

    http://www.npsp.nl/textpage2.asp?ID=158

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