SibLim update

  • 10 May 2020 08:12
    Reply # 8958728 on 8958568
    Annie wrote:

     Honestly David, the paint job as planned, has been on my ‘avatar’ for a couple of years now!

    Harrumph. it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

    Eric: no the boards are not toed in. I guess I shall just have to develop my biceps.

    I'm not sure what Eric meant there. Drawing a line from the mid point of the LE to the mid point of the TE of the board, it's at an angle of 1.6˚ to the centreline of the boat, so even though the flat outer face of the board is parallel to the centreline, there is actually that amount of toe-in. But this makes the boards harder to get up and down - in theory - because they are feeling more water pressure on them. In practice, it doesn't seem to make any difference. You use the weight of the board to get it down, when it's on the windward side, and the floatation to help to get it up as you tack, but in both cases, you do it when there is no hydrodynamic lifting force being generated.


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  • 10 May 2020 03:20
    Reply # 8958568 on 4315719

    James: building a boat is sheer insanity. But then so are a lot of things that give us pleasure. From my experience, as someone who was wondrously inept with tools and even now has huge problems with converting two dimensions into three, the main drawback of it, is that you have to devote your entire life to the project, if you ever want to complete the boat. If you are used to woodworking and competent, this would possibly be less of an issue. However, unless you are single, it’s probably not the most sensible thing to do. A spouse would either have to be equally enthusiastic about the project or extremely tolerant to be happy with the work, time and energy building a boat requires. I’m happy that I decided to do this, but would be less so if it were as a way to go sailing, rather than a culmination of many happy years afloat. Even so, I’m pretty much over it and would like to get my life back.  Chafe shouldn’t be a problem with the rudders, because the rope doesn’t move.

    David D: I have no work ethic, I can assure you. Indeed, I have successfully spent the majority of my adult life avoiding work. To me it is a means to an end: to earn money. Once I had enough money for my tastes I made the money do the work so that I could go and do more interesting things.

    OK, Len. I get the idea. Our sockets have room for plugs and chargers. On the tiny screen of the tablet, I don’t think that there’s room for a keyboard and it’s certainly too small for even my hands to touch type. With the screen turned sideways, I can only see two or three lines of what I’ve written at one time, which I find very frustrating. I’ll buy a separate keyboard when we can finally go to the shops again. To be honest, it’s fairly low on my list of priorities.

    Graeme: I have seen the lashings and still don’t really get how they work. But I can see that they do, which is the main thing. However, I hope I can get them as tight as they will need to be for the heavy rudders that they support.

    The copper is one third of the volume, so 2/3 epoxy. The graphite about 10%. As Coppercoat reckons its product can be used over a primer with alloy or steel hulls, I can only assume that the copper that one exposes with the occasional brisk sand, is too little to cause a problem. It makes no difference to me, where the 1,200 kg of steel keel can fizz for a long time before being seriously affected. Shirley was advised to put carbon fibre and epoxy over alloy battens to strengthen them. The carbon has affected them and she has now dumped them for new, larger alloy ones. On the other hand, they were over 15 years old ... I don’t believe that there is any risk at all of galvanic action between the Coppercoat and the graphite, which is, anyway, out of the water. The graphite also makes the epoxy harder, which is a good thing for things that tend to get hit on occasion.

    David T: yes, the HDPE is slightly recessed and when we tried the ‘dry run’, there seemed ample room for the boards to slide up and down. They were a bit tight fore and aft, but the circular saw dealt with that issue. The wedges are only held with epoxy. My boat has no fastenings left if I can possibly avoid it. When I made the indents for the rudder lashings, I cut off the glass. Anyway, they are sealed in with epoxy and don’t move, so it’s essentially irrelevant. Honestly David, the paint job as planned, has been on my ‘avatar’ for a couple of years now!

    Eric: no the boards are not toed in. I guess I shall just have to develop my biceps. I have come across vacuum bagging, but never in such an ingenious way as the French have developed it. How does one hold the mating parts in place so that the pieces of wood don’t slip out of the way? I suppose a screw at each corner and then the vacuum. That would probably have been much better than my method – and I could have had an excuse to drink some wine! (And what a cute little plane!!)

    David D (again): You can’t get to the other side of where the wedges go: it’s a Void (scary!), but, as noted above, all the screws come out again. Quite apart from the cost and the weight of a zillion screws, I prefer to take them out so that in case of the boat being damaged, I can just take a saw, router or whatever to the damage and cut it out, without having to worry about hitting fastenings. Not wanting screws to penetrate the hull has occasionally made life more difficult for me: on the other hand, it has allowed me to finish the interior as I go, whereas if I had put the screws in from inside, I should have had to (re)paint those areas later. I would probably have run out of patience by then and not done as careful a job as I did.

  • 05 May 2020 10:35
    Reply # 8947442 on 4315719

    Hi, Annie.

    Really enjoying your boat build blog and just had a look at your recent progress.  

    Just reading that you screwed the filler wedges at the bottom of the bilgeboard slots to the skin with only 10mm of screw going into the skin.  

    If you haven't epoxied them into place and can gain access to the inside, it's normally better to screw through from the thin side to the thick side.  This allows longer screws for better grip and you could maybe  put a big penny washer under the screw head to help spread the load over the wider area of the thin skin. 

    I'm sure you have your own valid reasons for doing it the way you have and I'm not criticising in any way.  I wouldn't even have the courage or perseverance to start a build like yours, never mind do such a good job.

    Can't wait to see it finished and sailing.  Keep up the good work and excellent blog. 

    Regards.   


  • 03 May 2020 17:52
    Reply # 8943594 on 4315719

    Bonjour

    Great job !

    I don't know if it has been done on Siblim but with asymmetric dagger boards it is interesting to pinch inwards each dagger board a few degrees in order to have the neutral cord (the zero lift incidence ) of the dagger board parallel to the boat speed. It allows to rise or lower them when the boat is in motion more easily.



    To glue the bended surfaces of the dagger-boards there is a useful trick: the "vacuum cleaner" press associated to the red wine pressure gauge (so French). Once in place, the dagger board (for example) is wrapped in a plastic sheet. The edges are clamped loosely with cloth pins (there must be some leaks to cool the vacuum cleaner engine).The hose of the vacuum cleaner is introduced into the plastic bag. At the other end of the bag, a crystal flexible plastic tube is introduce and shaped in a vertical U. A little red wine is poored  into the plastic tube. The difference of hight between the two surfaces of the wine indicates the pressure.  10cm of wine hignt give a pressure of 100kg per scare meter. The remaining wine may be drink as a reward while the glue dries !


    Eric

    PS : The vacuum technique was invented by Mr Colomban to glue the aluminium skin of the Cricri's aircraft wing !


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  • 30 Apr 2020 08:13
    Reply # 8936975 on 4315719

    It was a month between updates, and we Fanshi junkies were beginning to get twitchy, wondering when our next fix was coming.

    But oh, it was worth the wait! A bumper edition, full of information and full of great photos showing the quality of work and attention to detail that we've come to expect.

    I think I can see that you ended up with 10mm thick HDPE for the bilgeboard anti-chafe strips, slightly recessed into the surfaces. I hope that the boards aren't too snug in the slots - with such an effective foil section, they will lift strongly as soon as you start to lower them, pressing them against the inboard side of the slot. Only time will tell what level of slackness is best. HDPE can be planed down if they seem too snug during sailing trials.

    The wedges for the downhaul blocks look great. Are they bonded on as well as screwed? They will carry some load when the boards are used as legs.

    One thing I didn't see was some countersinking or rounding off of the holes for the rudder lashings, to keep the edge of the glass sheathing away from the cords, but I'm sure that will be visible in the next batch of photos.

    So the transom is to be black, and the bottom below the chine will turn green after exposure to sea water. I wonder when the paint job will go on the topsides? What will it look like?

  • 30 Apr 2020 02:18
    Reply # 8936641 on 8934122
    Anonymous wrote:

    Wall wart??? Que? Am

    True, not normally found on a boat unless it has those fancy generator things or is covered with solar panels. Check here for a few pictures of wall warts. These are the cheap power supplies that really should be inside the product but then the manufacture would have to have the whole thing tested (destructively in some countries) before they could sell it. With the wall wart only the company making that has to do the tests and because they don't change much, they can be added to the product with no testing as an off-the-shelf part. I probably said that way to quick for anyone to catch what I was saying... but anyway it is a shortcut to start selling something faster.

    And I thought I was pretty up to date with computer jargon.  Maybe I should have visited something other than food shops and chandlers over the last 4 years!

    Food shops are great, chandlers on the other hand always make me think of the liquor store after seeing the price tag.

    I shall take on board the hackers' keyboard and see if I can find one until such time as I get a real one.  I quite like predictive text- it can speed things up.

    predictive text is a great way to learn about Google's products... it will even change your friend Alex' sex to Alexia. I found I would type in the correct word and the predictive text feature would correct it for me and I would end up insulting someone. I am already butter fingers enough on my own.

    While it does take up more of the screen, I have found that turning my phone/tablet to landscape mode makes the keyboard bigger and easier for my fingers to hit.... or you could take lessons from the daughter in law who just wiggles here finger around the little keyboard on her phone and somehow whole paragraphs appear faster than I can type...

    And should have been firstly, the blog does not seem to be suffering for lack of computer. I like the lashed rudder hinge, it looks relatively reparable anywhere. (after many years of service of course)

  • 29 Apr 2020 02:14
    Reply # 8934359 on 4315719
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I must echo James and thank you, Annie, for keeping up your blog even though you are now reduced to using a small tablet. It is always interesting to follow, but especially so at the present time.

    You are making great progress now towards the finish line - things are going ahead fast!

    I am especially interested in your rudder "fittings" - I had hoped also to use the lashing method, but need to see it before I can properly understand how to do it. I hope I can come and have a look some time.

    Your foil-shaped boards are just wonderful - and now I finally understand how you will rig downhauls. How very clever it all is, and a credit to David too.

    I have a question - maybe someone can answer - does the epoxy resin completely lock in the copper (and the graphite on the parts which are to be black)? I have always worked on the principle that graphite is on the galvanic table along with the metals we use in boat-building, and and always avoided graphite grease near metal fittings in contact with sea water. 

    I am wondering, is the graphite on your rudders merely there to provide the black colour, and is there any risk of galvanic action with the copper coat?

    Thanks again for keeping up your inspirational blog, and for reminding us from time to time to have a look at it.


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  • 28 Apr 2020 23:18
    Reply # 8934122 on 4315719

    Wall wart??? Que? Am

    And I thought I was pretty up to date with computer jargon.  Maybe I should have visited something other than food shops and chandlers over the last 4 years!


    I shall take on board the hackers' keyboard and see if I can find one until such time as I get a real one.  I quite like predictive text- it can speed things up.

  • 28 Apr 2020 21:32
    Reply # 8933982 on 8932575
    Anonymous wrote:

    Oh Lord,  Len.  Powered USB hub - I'm now well out of my depth. I'll look it up when I have a bit of time.  And the mental energy.

    :)  Any USB hub that has a round hole to plug a wall wart into... though some of them use mini USB plugged power supplies just like the ones used for cell phones these days. Some  usb drives have the ability to be powered by a wall wart too.

    Anyway, I have finally and heroically,  updated my blog:

    Cool, I will go there next.

    www.anniehill.blogspot.com.  (Will someone please explain to me why you can't move forward or backwards on phone/tablets, but can only delete backwards.  It's infuriating.  I'm sure they could squeeze in a shifted key next to a.)

    It is the keyboard you are using, get hackers keyboard from your app store... has arrow keys and a delete key too. Also defaults to no word guessing.

      In spite of my best efforts some of my photos have ended up in the ether.  Or possibly the Cloud.   Anyway,  I can't find them, but I don't think it really matters :-D. There are plenty more where they came from!

    Maybe ended up in WOM... (write only memory)  :)  :)

    (the aliens have it?)

    All funniness aside, I have to admire anyone who is willing to edit blog posts (with pictures yet) on a phone or even tablet. Congratulations.

  • 28 Apr 2020 18:14
    Reply # 8933568 on 8932575
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    Anonymous wrote:

    Oh Lord,  Len.  Powered USB hub - I'm now well out of my depth. I'll look it up when I have a bit of time.  And the mental energy.

    Anyway, I have finally and heroically,  updated my blog: www.anniehill.blogspot.com.  (Will someone please explain to me why you can't move forward or backwards on phone/tablets, but can only delete backwards.  It's infuriating.  I'm sure they could squeeze in a shifted key next to a.)  In spite of my best efforts some of my photos have ended up in the ether.  Or possibly the Cloud.   Anyway,  I can't find them, but I don't think it really matters :-D. There are plenty more where they came from!

    Annie as usual, your blog is inspiring in your work ethic and methodology.  Thought I was looking at Hugo Boss with all that black epoxy and bilge boards!

    Well done, can't wait to read it in depth.


    Particularly impressed in your use of Wharram rudder lashings.  "Soft" lashings and shackles are coming back.


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