The Myth of the Bad Tack

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  • 05 Sep 2016 21:00
    Reply # 4229659 on 4229189

    Hi, and here we og again. I have a fully instrumented race yacht, and can read from the instruments the speed into the eye of the Wind. Thus I can Experiment With Wind angels vs boat speed vs speed against the Wind. With the sail set up right, taut, no bellying from the mast,minimum twist (!) Taut front edge of sail, hard sheeted to get a sub 30degrees against the relative wind the boat is a very small fraction slower when the mast is exposed in the Wind. Another benefit is that the sailarea in front of the mast tells me when I og too Close to the Wind when it starts to "bulge" the other way.

    Sailing in regattas has taught me a lot in respect of getting the most from the sail, and the Junkrig is much more powerful than believed. Set up right, fine tuned and sailed With the knowledge gained, I use to end up in the top Third of the fleet I sail against. Nobody from Bergen to Stavanger will put their name under the statement that Junkrig dont go to Windward.

  • 05 Sep 2016 20:43
    Reply # 4229640 on 4229638
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    Chris Gallienne wrote:

    David

    Sail is on port side, starboard tack performs much worse - I confused he issue calling it the 'good' tack as per myth.

    Chris

    Ah, same problem then. Still, the good thing is that as soon as I come around to where I can ease the sheets the speed difference disappears. What is the saying - 'Only fools and racers to to windward'!

    It would definitely help to have a parrel on each batten to keep the sail against the mast, but on Footprints the battens are always hard against the mast and there is still a 'bad' tack.

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  • 05 Sep 2016 20:37
    Reply # 4229638 on 4229189
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    David

    Sail is on port side, starboard tack performs much worse - I confused the issue calling it the 'good' tack as per myth.

    Chris

    Last modified: 05 Sep 2016 20:39 | Deleted user
  • 05 Sep 2016 20:35
    Reply # 4229636 on 4229189
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    Chris Gallienne wrote:

    HMy sail appears to be a pretty standard Sunbird rig from the late eighties/early nineties, with hinged battens. As such, it has no fixed batten parrels except on the 'boom', and relies on the upper and lower luff hauling parrels to keep the other battens close to the mast on starboard ('good') tack. They do not achieve this very successfully, and the sail bellies away from the mast significantly. This may well be a contributing factor.


    Interesting that you seem to be indicating that the starboard tack is the 'good' tack. I assume from you comments about the sail being pushed away from the mast that the sail is therefore on the port side of the mast. On Footprints with the sail on the port side of the mast the starboard tack is very definitely the 'bad' tack with at least half a knot less boat speed than on the port tack (when going to windward). In strong wind conditions where I have had to drop at least one sail panel the loss of speed is not so evident. I have tried to figure out just why this is and I am probably not very scientific about finding a solution. I had noticed though this past summer that if I free the sheet a bit when on the 'bad' starboard tack the boat does perform better.
  • 05 Sep 2016 20:35
    Reply # 4229635 on 4229189
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    It had occurred to me, though Robin advises against it.

    As I plan to re-rig her this winter the point is moot, though it would be an interesting test.

    Might try it if I et the time.

    Chris

  • 05 Sep 2016 20:25
    Reply # 4229625 on 4229189
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Chris, maybe you should try to fit batten parrels and see what happens?

    Arne 

  • 05 Sep 2016 14:43
    Message # 4229189
    Deleted user

    Having read Arne's article some while ago, I hadn't given very much thought to it since. A couple of weeks ago whilst on a demo sail with a new member aboard China Girl, he raised the question. I have since given more attention to this aspect of my sail and can say that the performance is not only better on the "bad tack" but very much better.

    My sail appears to be a pretty standard Sunbird rig from the late eighties/early nineties, with hinged battens. As such, it has no fixed batten parrels except on the 'boom', and relies on the upper and lower luff hauling parrels to keep the other battens close to the mast on starboard ('good') tack. They do not achieve this very successfully, and the sail bellies away from the mast significantly. This may well be a contributing factor.

    Although there are scattered references to this around the fora, I though it might be useful to pool others' experience in one place.


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