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SibLim - finishing off the hull

  • 27 Sep 2016 09:05
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    I, too, think it's worth looking for ways to put on the Coppercoat with the hull upside down. It's such heavy stuff, and to have gravity working in the wrong direction and making it sag, makes it much harder to get a good result. I speak as one who has personally applied it to one boat (Ivory Gull), and had it applied to another (Tystie). Certainly it has to be applied coat-on-coat, but that's not the same as saying that the entire bottom has to be done at once. You can do the bottom and deadwood, from ladders leaned against the hull, then move on to one of the inclined panels, using a long handled roller, then move around to the other side. All much easier than lying on your back, wielding a roller made very heavy by the weight of copper.
  • 26 Sep 2016 23:03
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    Er...

    Annie, could i suggest you fit the paint roller on a long broom handle? I find that to be very good for applying messy stuff like antifouling...

    Arne
  • 26 Sep 2016 21:00
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    Of course you are right, David, but I don't like walking in industrial areas on concrete and I don't like driving somewhere in order to walk.  So I'll carry on as I am for the moment, the back having 90% recovered.

    I decided against putting on the Coppercoat first.  It needs to be put on wet on wet and I need to stand on the bottom of the boat to apply the paint.  This makes it all rather difficult.  As the horizontal part of the boat is only a small section along the bottom of the hull, and as the lowest point is entirely covered by keel, I don't think applying the coating with the boat the right way up will be as arduous as I first thought.  The boat will be raised up quite some distance from the ground.  I suspect that come Coppercoat day, I may see if I can round up members of the SibLim Club to give a hand!
  • 26 Sep 2016 09:51
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    Annie Hill wrote:This week has been something of a struggle with both builder and machinery falling apart.  While I am just about surviving the necessity of climbing up over the stern onto the bottom of the boat several dozen times a day, my back protested strongly the other day, when I stood up after a couple of hours kneeling over the deadwood planing and sanding. I staggered off to have my lunch thinking a 'good sit down and a cup of tea' would sort the problem, but it didn't.  However, a couple of days and a shovelful of ibuprofen appear to have sorted the problem.
    While I'm still full of admiration of the work-rate you're keeping up, I'd like to respectfully repeat what I said earlier about getting out for a good walk at least once a week. It's not surprising that one's back seizes up after bending or kneeling over the workpiece for hours, and walking is Dr. David's recommended treatment for ills like this. If you have to take sick leave, it slows you down more than taking an afternoon off. That's a hard lesson I learned whilst I was fitting out Tystie.

       That done, the deadwood will be filleted and glassed and after, no doubt, some more filling and fairing, should be considered complete, which means the hull will FINALLY be ready for turning over.  And about time too!

    And after the Coppercoat has been applied?
  • 25 Sep 2016 00:43
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    What an epic!  And a show of epic resilience and fortitude, Annie Hill.
  • 25 Sep 2016 00:03
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    This week has been something of a struggle with both builder and machinery falling apart.  While I am just about surviving the necessity of climbing up over the stern onto the bottom of the boat several dozen times a day, my back protested strongly the other day, when I stood up after a couple of hours kneeling over the deadwood planing and sanding. I staggered off to have my lunch thinking a 'good sit down and a cup of tea' would sort the problem, but it didn't.  However, a couple of days and a shovelful of ibuprofen appear to have sorted the problem.

    Thinking to save my back, I went shopping, having been told that my (or more accurately, Marcus's) thicknesser was in terminal decline and not worth the $80 per hour labour required to find out why it had died.  Great.  So I looked at Trade Me to see what was available.  The only second hand one was a nearly-new Makita which is coming to the end of its auction, even as I speak, and is up to $750 already.  It will probably go for around a thousand.  So I went along to my favourite Tool shop to ask what they had, and Bill flogged me off a snazzy new machine for $629 (after I'd ruthlessly beaten him down).  I brought it back and set it up and yesterday, just after midday, started to thickness the last of the saligna for the bottom of the keel.  The automatic feed didn't work and after a few passes, the cutters stopped turning.  But the shop was shut and the next day was Sunday.  Annoyed of Whangarei.  However, Marcus came by later and rescued me, persuading Murray, who owns the boatyard and was just about to leave, to let him use their big thicknesser.  So now I have glassy smooth wood, with edges sharp enough to cut your fingers.  'All' I have to do now is shape it, glue it down, get it all perfectly level and then offer up the pattern to mark the holes for the keel bolts.  That done, the deadwood will be filleted and glassed and after, no doubt, some more filling and fairing, should be considered complete, which means the hull will FINALLY be ready for turning over.  And about time too!

    Progress photo:

    More can be found here.
  • 20 Sep 2016 17:02
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    I look at it the other way around, Arne. I'm not in business, I'm not selling boat plans, and I don't feel an urge to make designs that might never get used. I'm just trying to make available such skill and knowledge as I've gained over the years, to those who might benefit from it. We both do that. 

    But to think about alternatives and variations to the Siblim design in a vacuum would be to put the cart before the horse. Ideally, I should like any prospective builders to approach me with their list of "must haves" and "desirables", as Annie did. After discussions, there would emerge, I hope, a modified design that was as good a fit with that list as could be managed. 
  • 20 Sep 2016 11:59
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    I buy you arguments, David.

    For that reason, maybe you should play around with your design and show slightly different alternatives? Most designers of stock plans do that, to let one customise the boat a bit.

    Arne

     
  • 20 Sep 2016 10:45
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Remember, a design which is taylor-made for one special person, may not suit everyone...

    Arne 

    But, Arne, the design is not as specific as that. True, Annie is now tailoring the build to her own specific requirements (that's what you do when you build your own boat), but the basic design could well suit anyone who wants a junk-rigged, "Chinese-looking" boat of that size. You're taller than Annie? Fine, you can add the doghouse over the saloon that we were initially thinking of, to accommodate Annie's taller visitors. You want to go ocean voyaging? Fine, we can add some deeper ballast. You want to sail two-up on a regular basis? Fine, the accommodation layout can be designed to suit. 

    The design hasn't been carved on tablets of stone. 
  • 19 Sep 2016 05:59
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    "going to be so wonderful" Indeed!  Thank you for the update, Annie Hill.  It's swell to see the progress and the master (mistress!) at work.  Inspiring.
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