In the other thread "camber and induced drag" things got a bit off-topic with the reefing. Let's continue here:
[...] we do not "trim" the THP [on Ilvy], nor touch it while steady sailing. It is, however, one more line to handle when reefing. If the THP could be omitted, reefing would be even faster thus safer. On Ilvy we reef very often, as it is so simple compared to BM. In choppy seas, however, it can be quite frightening when YHP and THP are loosened to lower the sail: a lot of banging and clonging around above our heads... If that could be improved by simplification, it would be a good step!
- Paul S.
Although I generally sail on flatter waters than you do, I too have experienced this a couple of times this summer: As I reefed and with a slack sheet , YHP and THP, the yard was flying about quite a bit, as the boat rolled with waves beam on. What I fear in those cases is that the tip of the yard shall fall forward of the topping lift. Luckily I have my secret weapon, the FUP. By taking in the slack on that FUP-line as the sail is gradually lowered, the yard is restricted from fanning forward. I have not had a yard/topping lift tangle (yet).Two shots in the dark:
- Would a long ‘batten parrel’ fitted to the yard help to tame it?
- How about fitting a SJR-type downhaul only to batten no. 3? The foggy idea is that if one can tame that batten, the rest of the sail will behave as well...
- Arne K.
Arne, I installed that yard batten parrel today as I had one further batten parrel, sewn and everything, onboard as a spare. I wanted to install it as a yard parrel since the beginning of our cruise in May, but was too lazy to do so yet. The aft end is now attached close to the halyard sling point, as the sling point should not be forward of the mast anyways. The forward end I fixed to the position where the mast rests if the sail is fully lowered. Test setting and lowering in harbour shows that this yard parrel is not in the way of anything. So far so good.
However, as Ilvy's mast is conical, the yard parrel will be quite slack when the sail is fully set or even reefed one or two panels down. Practice will show if it would be still of any use. I will report.
While I expect some interesting insights from this yard parrel test, I think the problem is more that the sail swings fore and aft within the sail plane - not perpendicular to it. YHP and THP are the only counteractors, yet! Very short batten parrels, shortened to rather plain loops than really parrels, would help.
Cheers,
Paul
PS: Today, Frederik E. came over for a visit on Ilvy, and we had some very interesting discussions on the influence of deck layout on reefing procedures (and a lot of other topics).