A Fold-down Companionway for Fantail

  • 19 Nov 2012 21:04
    Reply # 1141026 on 1137518
    I bought they plywood yesterday, and a mate is getting me some teak and machining it up.  I'm putting a tongue into the gap for the washboards and adding extra teak to the forward face, for the door to close against.  It would have been cheaper and easier to close against the back to the cabin, but this will be more attractive.  I'm a glutton for punishment.

    In the hope that one day Arion and Fantail will share an anchorage :-) I have decided to lower the bridgedeck to about 50mm below the seat level, which should make it a little easier to get below.  I think this will also look better.

    I've even found a piece of teak to put across the sole by the new bridgedeck, so that it looks less like an afterthought. 

    I will probably use acrylic for both doors, to let in the maximum light, unless the cost is prohibitive.  A light brown tint, which should look better than clear acrylic, if I can get it.


    Too wet to work outside just yet, but am raring to go.
  • 18 Nov 2012 19:57
    Reply # 1140267 on 1137518
    Interesting portlights you have there Graham, they look like lenses from something.
    I was wrestling with my bottom washboard on Saturday when some heavy rain came down. I found myself thinking very fondly of your idea.
  • 17 Nov 2012 21:28
    Reply # 1139900 on 1139858
    Annie Hill wrote:I wonder if the counter-sinking idea (in the link that Brian posted re bedding compounds) would help here?

    Do not counter sink acrylic and (this is triple so) do not use screws with counter sunk  heads (CSK) as they are guaranteed to cause cracking and crazing. Be sure to drill your holes generously oversize, that is at least .5 mm for a 6 - 5 mm fastening and 1 mm would not hurt. and always put a washer under the head & nut.

    Doing the above will reduce the probability of cracking and crazing to a considerable degree. It will not totally eliminate the possibility as drilling a hole in acrylic sets up stresses that can only be removed by annealing (heating in an oven) something that most people are unlikely to be able to do. Using a drill bit with zero rake will also improve your chances. Your cannot (at least in NZ) buy zero rake drill bits but you can regrind standard ones.
    Last modified: 17 Nov 2012 23:37 | Anonymous member
  • 17 Nov 2012 19:39
    Reply # 1139858 on 1137518
    Well, ' a little crazing' after all those years doesn't sound anything to worry about.  I wonder if the counter-sinking idea (in the link that Brian posted re bedding compounds) would help here?

    I'm also thinking that one could put the hasp on the boat and the staple on the door, to stop the hasp gouging the deck.  (Had the same problem on Iron Bark if we were somewhere we felt we needed to lock the boat.  Most of the time we didn't, so the hasp got quite stiff and stayed in place.)

    I would keep the bronze port idea as just that :-) The top section would weigh a ton, made like that, and try to rip your arm out whenever you opened it!

    I am spectacularly lucky with my health - touch wood!  I would like to put it down to wholesome living and a clear conscience, but in truth would have to admit to luck.  Although I believe having been largely vegetarian for thirty-odd years (and totally so since I've been on my own) may have something to do with it.  (I've actually been vegan for the past 18 months and can highly recommend it for anyone who wishes to lose weight.  I've sloughed off at least 5 kilos.)  People used to complain about Badger's hatch, but neither Pete nor I found it a problem and we loved its bullet-proof security.  This idea for Fantail will be much easier to use, I think, although entering at bridge deck height, rather than from the cockpit might be interesting.  I'm going to do a mock up before I commit myself.  But I can put up with a lot to get rid of washboards.
  • 17 Nov 2012 03:35
    Reply # 1139548 on 1139230
    Annie Hill wrote:
    • I see the two pieces of acrylic are of different thicknesses: what thickness are they?
    • It looks like you screwed the teak battens to the lower part - have you had any problems with crazing around the screws?




    Hi Annie.  My lower board is 18mm (3/4 inch) plywood and the upper is 10mm perspex, which is probably strong enough but it flexes a bit.  I have had a little crazing around the fasteners that are near the edges of the perspex board, at the hinges and the hasp.  I have been thinking of fitting timber stiffeners for the last decade or so.  Keeps slipping down the list.  I have also thought about replacing the upper board with plywood and fitting a portlight to it.  I have a magnificent 300mm dia bronze port lurking in a locker that came off the wreck of a Japanese WW2 warship in the Solomon Islands.  I copied the washboard idea from a Canadian yacht I met about 25 years ago and had a similar set up on my last boat.  I love being able to slam it shut in two seconds and open it again just as easily when the squall passes.

    I envy you your suppleness.  My tumour affects my hormonal balance, making me subject to inflamation of the joints.  Sometimes I am as stiff as an old carthorse.  A geriatric rig for a geriatric skipper!
  • 16 Nov 2012 18:16
    Reply # 1139232 on 1137518
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    Graham, brilliant. Since this topic started I've been watching with interest. Paradox's hatch entrance is similar to yours - cockpit seats level with the landing area inside, and the entrance shape is trapezoidal. I've been puzzling about this ever since we bought her. Thanks for a great idea and for posting the pictures which, for anyone who doesn't know how to reach them, are available here.
    Last modified: 16 Nov 2012 18:19 | Deleted user
  • 16 Nov 2012 18:10
    Reply # 1139230 on 1137518
    Graham

    Just what I'm thinking about: yours is a masterpiece of simplicity and effectiveness.

    A couple of questions:
    • I see the two pieces of acrylic are of different thicknesses: what thickness are they?
    • It looks like you screwed the teak battens to the lower part - have you had any problems with crazing around the screws?

    At present, I often leave my lower washboard in and can easily get in an out.  As Paul said, I'm a hobbit (that's official - they were advertising for cast a while ago and I qualified for height!)  I'm also pretty flexible, so having a bridge deck slightly lower than the extant washboard would work for me.  Might be tricky for a next purchaser, but that's their problem. 



  • 16 Nov 2012 04:21
    Reply # 1138813 on 1138755
    Graham Cox wrote: There is a Raven 26 in this marina with the cockpit closed in at the level of the seats (sort of like a very wide bridgedeck) and I find crawling into the cabin a bit painful.

    Graham, you're a big guy but Annie is a small woman. I do not think she will have a problem. From the looks of it, your setup is very much what Annie is thinking of.

    Annie, plenty of inspiration here for you.

    PS. Graham, I hope you will be putting up more photos of Arion. I find the details of other peoples boats extremely interesting. I'll start doing the same with LC soon.
    Last modified: 16 Nov 2012 06:38 | Anonymous member
  • 16 Nov 2012 04:13
    Reply # 1138811 on 1137518
    That's quite a simple set up Graham. Once I get time to think about modifications I shall have another look at those photos.
  • 16 Nov 2012 02:41
    Reply # 1138755 on 1137518
    OK, I have posted my photos in a new album called Arion details.  Let me know if you have any other questions.  It occurs to me that I have a companionway hatch, unlike Fantail, which means my high bridgedeck is not an issue.  There is a Raven 26 in this marina with the cockpit closed in at the level of the seats (sort of like a very wide bridgedeck) and I find crawling into the cabin a bit painful.
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