Hartley TS16 project "Redwing ll"

  • 21 Jul 2023 09:25
    Reply # 13230566 on 10087530
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I have been shown close-ups of some sails that Paul has made, and they look just fantastic. However, I don’t want this to scare anyone away from trying their hands as amateur sail makers. With a domestic sewing machine without a so-called walking foot, it is not easy to keep an even stitch length, and with the amateur’s lack of practice, the seams may wander a little off the perfect line. Even so, these amateur stitchings will be about just as strong as those made by pros, so please, go ahead.

    Attached is the write-up showing how we made a new (48sqm) sail for my friend, Håvard’s Edmond Dantes, back in 2012. At that time, I had only three junk sails behind me, the last one in 2009, and Håvard had never used a sewing machine. The seams are anything but perfect, but the sail still turned out to work fine.

    Good luck with you second Redwing!


    Part 1, sewing...

    Part 2, rigging and sailing...

    Last modified: 21 Jul 2023 15:42 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 21 Jul 2023 00:22
    Reply # 13230485 on 10087530

    My new sail, courtesy of Paul Thompson arrived a few days ago and yesterday I  laid it out for a look at it. Paul's level of workmanship clearly highlights just how much of an amateur sewer I am.  :)

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  • 07 Jul 2023 10:26
    Reply # 13224692 on 10087530

    Tidied up a bit and got the first photo of the whole boat as it is now.

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  • 22 Jun 2023 11:04
    Reply # 13218419 on 10087530

    My sail, courtesy of Paul Thompson is coming along beautifully.

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  • 18 Jun 2023 06:45
    Reply # 13216583 on 10087530

    A nice step forward today, I got the rest of the cabin top on.

    The alloy mast will have a 1 metre timber extension at the top.

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  • 18 Jun 2023 00:25
    Reply # 13216540 on 10087530
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Gary: A great idea, I think, and I (for one) am  looking forward to hearing about how it all works out for you.

  • 17 Jun 2023 12:18
    Reply # 13216410 on 10087530

    My mast will be a 6.5 metre alloy 80mm x 3mm tube. Weight is around 13kgs. My idea is to have a larger tube though the deck to the keelson that stands high enough that the sail bundle with batten parrels etc are attached. I am hoping that once the mast is slotted it will be a simple matter to attach the halyard, mast sling and lazy jacks. The sheet and sheetlets will stay attached to the sail bundle.

    I do have very good straight large bamboo, but I don't think I would want to use it as a mast. I am thinking of trying bamboo battens though.

  • 16 Jun 2023 23:06
    Reply # 13216321 on 10087530
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    "I think I can set up the rig in such a way that it should be fairly easy to get sailing without too much fuss..." 

    Gary, I believe you can do it. if you could leave the sail on the mast, with sheets and lower control lines permanently deployed, there is not much left that needs to be dismantled. My biggest problem as I am getting older is raising and lowering the mast on my aft-facing tabernacle which is actually pretty good as it's keel-stepped, and I can unclip and stow the running rigging inside the sail catcher and keep everything together pretty well. But next time (if there is a next time) I think there is a better way.


    If you can keep the weight of the mast light enough so you can lift it up bodily and drop it into a keel-stepped stump tube with ID a loose clearance fit to the base of the mast (the simplest of all tabernacles) - long enough that it goes up through the cabin top and short enough so it can remain standing when towing home, then you are almost in the category of a moored boat for speed of deployment. The sails and running rigging, parrels etc just need to be dropped down over the stump tube at the end of an outing, left tidy and covered securely on a suitable temporary gallows. Then an almost clean mast can be lifted out and stowed alongside on the same gallows. You might need only to detach the lifts (set up with snap shackles at the boom) to do this.

    If I do it again on a trailer boat I will pay whatever it costs for a carbon mast I can handle in that way - and save money elsewhere. With a Hartley 16 I think you might just get away with it if its a light-weight mast. Potentially the rig could be as quick to deploy or quicker than anything else on the ramp. Raise the mast, uncover the bundle, clip the lifts onto the boom, take the slack out of the halyard and other control lines, hoist sail, stow the foldable gallows and away you go. For the cost of a carbon mast (gulp) you would more than double the frequency of feeling like going for a sail at a moment's notice, and that's real economy. (For a smaller boat I'd look at a bamboo mast, but a Hartley 16 might be a bit too stiff for that, unless you have access to some really good giant bamboo, in which case it could be well worth a try - what's to fear in a dismasting if you have a couple of spare masts up your sleeve?) But a carbon mast would earn its keep, I reckon. That's ultimately what I would aim for. If I ever get another chance.

    Alex, those Farr6000s are highly sought after here in NZ these days. 5000s too. At "Swallowdale" up the Uretara River at Katikati there's a little fleet of them.


    The odd one out in the clip is a Noelex - the real "sports car" of trailer boats, but nowhere near as commodious as  Farr6000.

    Coincidentally to this post, the towed boat at the end of the video clip is a Paradox with a mast which can be lifted in and out of a tube tabernacle as explained above, sail and all (its a sprit sail). This mast is wood though, and a bit heavy. The owner is young and steps it effortlessly, I couldn't do it these days. But that's partly where the static tube tabernacle idea came from. Arne thought out the same idea too - there's a thread about it somewhere.

    Last modified: 17 Jun 2023 02:34 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 16 Jun 2023 12:33
    Reply # 13216056 on 13213611
    Anonymous wrote:


    I realise you mean Hardstand. :)

    There isn't anywhere really convenient here to Hardstand, and I'd rather not go down that path. Besides I want to be able keep the boat in my shed when not sailing. I think I can set up the rig in such a way that it should be fairly easy to get sailing without too much fuss. Time will tell.

  • 11 Jun 2023 08:16
    Reply # 13213611 on 10087530


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