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  • 19 May 2011 22:33
    Reply # 595388 on 593648
    No shortage of encouragement, eh, Paul...

    For other folks' interest, I can assure you Tristram E is a worthy little ship, and a good deal at the price. Her owners are great folks who put a lot of effort and love (and money) into her over years and years. She was the first junk I sailed on, after I'd admired her in profile, bashing past our anchorage in about a gale.

    David - I don't know that Allan, TE's skipper, loves the wire halyards, but the job they do is simple, and they're in place. The sails come down.

    Cheers to all,
    Kurt
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  • 20 May 2011 00:35
    Reply # 595456 on 594629
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    Annie Hill wrote:She looks like a peach!  Probably more like 37 ft than 40 ft, I suspect.  They may have included overhanging bits in LOA.

    A classic H/McL rig.  Jock would be thrilled to hear that she is making a long passage, if he actually did design the rig.  Bruce Kirby is a good designer: she should be a grand boat.

    I wouldn't be too keen on the radar at the top of the mast, either.

    I agree 100% with David about the wire halliards.  Nasty things that are totally obsolete.  You may have to change the blocks, but that would be a small price to pay.

    Of course you'd throw away the microwave and replace it with a pressure cooker.

    The boat is definitely under-anchored.  I'd want at least three and 9 or 10mm (3/8") chain on the bower.  While you are in North America, lay hands on a Kingston for rock, kelp and reassurance in really bad weather.  A 20 kg Manson Supreme would be as good as the Rocna and cheaper. 

    Can you take some photos of the mast step, and post them in your Profile?  This would give The Experts a chance to comment with more information.

    Do you need crew?    :-D
    A Peach!!  I'm not looking for a peach!  :-)  And yeah,  she's about 33 LOD and 31 WL.  boats in the states seem to get measured OA as in Over every last bit.  so 40ft includes the Davits...  Thanks for the Anchor advice.  I think there is another one down below, and yes the chain is a bit light.  

     I would post more pictures but the boat is a few hundred miles north of me at the moment, and I am embarrassed to admit but I am also considering a trimaran. here's the link in case anyone is interested. 


    Tritram E has more character.....  

     And no microwave!? I was planning on eating microwave popcorn all the way home!

  • 20 May 2011 00:39
    Reply # 595457 on 595388
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    Kurt Jon Ulmer wrote:
    No shortage of encouragement, eh, Paul...

    For other folks' interest, I can assure you Tristram E is a worthy little ship, and a good deal at the price. Her owners are great folks who put a lot of effort and love (and money) into her over years and years. She was the first junk I sailed on, after I'd admired her in profile, bashing past our anchorage in about a gale.

    David - I don't know that Allan, TE's skipper, loves the wire halyards, but the job they do is simple, and they're in place. The sails come down.

    Cheers to all,
    Kurt
    yeah......  its hard not to want to get a junk with you lot involved.  guess I asked for it.  :-)

    Much thanks to all.
  • 25 May 2011 03:11
    Reply # 600736 on 594629
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    Annie Hill wrote:A 20 kg Manson Supreme would be as good as the Rocna and cheaper.

    I second the recommendation for a Manson Supreme.  I could be convinced that the Rocna is ~5% better designed, but the two anchors really are very similar.  Unfortunately, everytime I was shopping for an anchor the Rocna was at least 50% more expensive, and that just doesn't do it for me.

    Flutterby (33feet, 7 tons) has one 25lb Supreme and it as always held us with no problems...unless I used stupidly short scope...2:1 or 3:1.  Fortunately we haven't been through any serious storms to test it further.  We got a 35lb version as a second anchor for when things really get tough.  If we had some sort of windlass, I would have thought about bigger ones.  But still the 25lb version digs in with as much surface area buried in the mud as a 35lb plow or bruce would.

    Barry
  • 26 May 2011 01:58
    Reply # 601656 on 593648
    I was wondering if a '25 lb' Manson was a bit light-on for me, with 2.5 tons and 26 ft!  I'd personally want at least '35 lb' for a 33 ft boat and probably more.  But we do get hurricane-force winds in the Sounds in mid-summer, which makes one a bit inclined to think that 'size does count'!

    If you don't have a windlass, Barry, why not fit a chain pawl?  That way all you have to do is to haul the boat up to the chain - not keep it there as well.  Mine works like a charm and I can even leave the anchor a-dangle, if needs be, until I've cleared the anchorage.
  • 31 May 2011 23:34
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    Annie Hill wrote:I was wondering if a '25 lb' Manson was a bit light-on for me, with 2.5 tons and 26 ft!  I'd personally want at least '35 lb' for a 33 ft boat and probably more.  But we do get hurricane-force winds in the Sounds in mid-summer, which makes one a bit inclined to think that 'size does count'!

    If you don't have a windlass, Barry, why not fit a chain pawl?  That way all you have to do is to haul the boat up to the chain - not keep it there as well.  Mine works like a charm and I can even leave the anchor a-dangle, if needs be, until I've cleared the anchorage.

    I did put a chain pawl on our bow.  I'm not 100% happy with it, but fitting any anchor handling gear in the limited space ahead of the main mast is a trick, and I'm not ready (yet) to do like Pete did on his F33 and put one up on the coachroof and drop the chain down below the bottom of a hanging locker.  Of course, it could find its way to the top of the list of 2012 improvements for Flutterby...After I'm happy with my sails!

    I really should defer to you on this one--You have decades more anchoring than I do, and as I said, mine has been in relatively good conditions to date. But in our defense, let me state that my original vote of confidence was saying what the anchor has done--not a recommendation as the right size for our boat.

    We now have a third anchor, which is a 35lb Manson Supreme, and it hasn't seen mud yet.  When we have winds like you are talking about to anchor in, down it will go.  But the 25lb Manson Supreme is already up on the bow roller and I keep putting it down, and it keeps holding us.  It also sets beautifully unless I do something stupid like deciding to use a trip line and fouling the anchor with it when I put it down.

    Barry
  • 31 May 2011 23:52
    Reply # 609739 on 609729
     I'm not ready (yet) to do like Pete did on his F33 and put one up on the coachroof and drop the chain down below the bottom of a hanging locker. 


    We now have a third anchor, which is a 35lb Manson Supreme, and it hasn't seen mud yet. 

    Ah, he did, did he?  We often discussed the merits of this idea because we were never really happy about the pile driving effect of the heavy mast and all the anchor gear in the eyes of the boat.  The major problem with bringing the chain down below is draining the water somewhere other than the bilge (which on Badger was used for storing Admiralty Pilots) and being able to clean out the mud, etc that comes in with the chain.

    A 35lb Manson.  That's a bit better: I won't be worrying about you so much now :-)
  • 01 Jun 2011 03:08
    Reply # 609967 on 593648
    The best idea I've seen is a chain box stretching from deck to bilge - but watertight, and with a small manual bilge pump to extract the effluvium. No smell, no mud, no water inside the boat. 
  • 01 Jun 2011 04:26
    Reply # 610100 on 593648
    Chain storage is something I have been puzzling over. With an 87Kg mast through the foredeck the last thing I want to do is chuck 30 or so kgs of chain up in the bow as well. I can get it back aft of the mast a bit. I am thinking of going with a chain trace and rope rode until I see how she handles. 166 kgs of engine under the cockpit should counterbalance it a bit I figure. Ah the unknowns of deviating from the designed rig.
    LOA 7.46 m
    LWL 6.5 m
  • 01 Jun 2011 06:02
    Reply # 610125 on 593648
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    Gary: With that monster diesel aft I dont think you will having any problems balance wise.
    We dont have anything that big in our boat, apart from the 30kg outboard, so I plan to locate the house batteries back there, maybe another water tank aft will help too.

    We are sealing the forward bulkhead, so it is a watertight chain locker, I was  thinking of using a removable bung, under the double bunk to drain the locker from time to time, but if our Badger turns out to have a permanently dry bilge, we probably wouldnt want to spoil it, so a chain locker bilge pump up front might be the way to go.
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