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History of the Western Junk Rig - Author Found (Chris Galienne)

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  • 18 Oct 2013 12:22
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    Jonathan Snodgrass posted the following on 12th July in the JRA, its Magazine and Website Forum:

    "Some time ago Gerry O'Brien undertook to produce a book to be called 'History of the Western Junk Rig'. (This was to be very much a history book, not a supplement to 'Practical Junk Rig'.) The Committee has now heard from Gerry that for health reasons he must withdraw from that undertaking. We wish him well and hope that he soon gets back to full health. Sad as this news is, it creates an opportunity for someone else to accept this challenge. If anyone is interested, please make yourself known in a reply to this post or, if feeling shy, email chairman@junkrigassociation.org - my new email address for 'official' business'. You will of course be offered every assistance and support by current and past JRA members."

    Only Gary Pick expressed interest. Gary is now considering Gerry's synopsis, so the project is with him until he says yay or nay. Thanks Gary. If anyone else is interested, please reply as above or to this post.
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  • 06 Nov 2013 18:39
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    I'm sad to report that Oz member Gary (Pick) pulled out of this book project, but on behalf of the Committee I'd like to thank him warmly for his genuine interest. I think reality got the better of him: as he didn't feel able to get started until well into the new year he offered to pass it on to whoever else was interested.

    Since no-one replied to the above post I contacted UK member Chris Gallienne who had expressed interest just after Gary did. Chris has now read the synopsis and has agreed to take the project on. Great news and many thanks, Chris. Let us know from time to time how it's going :-)
  • 06 Nov 2013 23:53
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    Really good news Chris, that you are both willing and able to take on this important project.
    I am sure that I speak for the rest of the members to welcome your offer, and to wish you fair winds and every success.  Please feel free to call for any information or assistance that we can provide.
    Edward
  • 27 Nov 2013 16:10
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    Just a quick update on this project... Chris is cracking on with it, has already done 10,000 words but has run into problems with sourcing this book. Anyone have any ideas?
  • 29 Nov 2013 15:40
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    Further update:
    First draft of Part 1 (of 3) is in my Box files:

    Documents->Chris Gallienne->History

    if anyone wants to take a look. Feedback on general drift, errors/omissions, etc welcome. No detailed proof-reading type feedback needed at this time.

    Webmaster says, " If YOU want to access this but don't have Box access, email webmaster@junkrigassociation.org and I'll join you in."
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  • 07 Dec 2013 12:21
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    Currently working on Part 2, which contains some sections on designers/builders who have contributed to the development of the Western rig. I knew that Bruce Roberts had designed quite a few junk rigs for his boats, but there wasn't much available on his site so I e-mailed him.

    He responded positively within the hour and within a few more hours had sent me loads of sailplans , images and other data, together with permission to use them freely. I was very impressed!
  • 08 Dec 2013 08:25
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    Excellent news.  Well done!
  • 10 Dec 2013 01:17
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    Chris Gallienne wrote:Currently working on Part 2, which contains some sections on designers/builders who have contributed to the development of the Western rig. I knew that Bruce Roberts had designed quite a few junk rigs for his boats, but there wasn't much available on his site so I e-mailed him.

    He responded positively within the hour and within a few more hours had sent me loads of sailplans , images and other data, together with permission to use them freely. I was very impressed!
    A word of warning there: Pacific Spray, down in NZ, is a Roberts design, and Rob and Maren initially built the rig according to his design. It was clear when Rob asked me for advice and I had a look at the rig, that Mr Roberts really didn't have much of an idea about designing the geometry of the sails of a JR schooner. I'm not sure that he had studied PJR and learned how to do it. The sails had to be recut.
  • 10 Dec 2013 01:31
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    David Tyler wrote:A word of warning there: Pacific Spray, down in NZ, is a Roberts design, and Rob and Maren initially built the rig according to his design. It was clear when Rob asked me for advice and I had a look at the rig, that Mr Roberts really didn't have much of an idea about designing the geometry of the sails of a JR schooner. I'm not sure that he had studied PJR and learned how to do it. The sails had to be recut.
    In fact I met the son of the owner of the first Spray to be junk rigged that Roberts had seen.  He took a number of photographs and a few weeks later was selling the design with a junk rig, which looked uncannily similar to the boat he had recently visited.  But no measurements had been taken or technical information sought.  This might explain why Pacific Spray had those problems, initially.

    It is by no means unknown for designers to take the credit for improvements and modifications made by builders of their designs.     
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  • 10 Dec 2013 09:21
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    Hmmm... Mr Roberts sometimes gets a bad press about his Spray hulls as well. He has sufficiently modified it, particularly at the bow, to annoy the Spray fundamentalists. Having built one of his Spray 33 hulls many years ago, I can certainly say his hull plans are excellent - detailed and easy to loft and build from.

    I did remark to him that one of his sails seemed quite Fenix-like, and asked if that was an inspiration but he didn't comment.

    David, can I send you something to look at in this regard? Your assessment would be very valuable.
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