Choosing a boat for extended cruising

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  • 05 Mar 2018 19:15
    Reply # 5890918 on 5889559
    David Tyler wrote:

    Here's a good list of cruising boats under 30ft that's worth looking through for inspiration. Especially the ones that have taken part in the Jester Challenge, marked with an asterisk.

    https://www.sailboat-cruising.com/cruiser-yachts-under30.html


    A lot missing though: what about Vertues and Folkboats, Contessa 26, Achilles 24, Corribee and Debutante, Colvic 28, Kingfishers, Invicta - to name but a few that spring to mind!
  • 05 Mar 2018 12:32
    Reply # 5889559 on 5880436

    Here's a good list of cruising boats under 30ft that's worth looking through for inspiration. Especially the ones that have taken part in the Jester Challenge, marked with an asterisk.

    https://www.sailboat-cruising.com/cruiser-yachts-under30.html

  • 05 Mar 2018 12:13
    Reply # 5889525 on 5880436

    Very few production boats have been specifically designed with extended cruising in mind. One of the best is the Vancouver 27/28, but as they are very much admired, the price has remained high.

    A more affordable, but still capable, offshore design is the Twister.

    An Ocean Cruising Club Special Award was made in 2011 to Matt Rutherford, on completion of his astounding 309 day, 27,077 nm solo non-stop circumnavigation of the Americas in his 27ft Albin Vega St Brendan

    So there's another boat that can make difficult passages, in the right hands.


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  • 05 Mar 2018 11:39
    Reply # 5889500 on 5880436
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    Many thanks David and also Eric. I will check it out.
  • 05 Mar 2018 10:27
    Reply # 5889453 on 5880436
    David Webb wrote:

    Hi Raymond,

    have you thought of a Golden Hind? There are I believe two versions, 26 and 31 1/2 feet long. They are a well traveled design and very seaworthy, you see them all over the world voyaging quite successfully. They are plywood or fiberglass construction and have a long shallow central keel with steel plate bilge keels that allow them to dry out upright. They would convert well to junk rig.

    All the best, David.

    Just had a look on the internet and there is one for sale in Bangor, Wales at 7950 pounds, one in Gibraltar for 12,000 pounds and one in Auckland, New Zealand for $11,000 NZ. All have fiberglass hulls with plywood decks and are 31 foot six inches long. There are a lot of them about and David Tyler had an Eventide once, a near sister by the same designer, Maurice Griffiths. I have not looked very thoroughly but there seem to be quite a few for sale out there at reasonable prices.

    Ivory Gull is actually a GRP 'Lone Gull II' design, also from Maurice Griffiths. 

    I have to take issue with David Webb's comments. Maurice Griffiths was very much a Thames Estuary sailor, and was out of his comfort zone on the rare occasions when he sailed down the English Channel. His designs reflect this. I bought the mouldings for Ivory Gull when I could only foresee short holiday cruises between the Solent and the Isles of Scilly. When I became able to leave paid work and cruise further afield, I quickly found that Ivory Gull was not really in her element when cruising on the west coasts of Ireland and Scotland. 

    The triple keel configuration manages to get the worst of all worlds - poorer performance, and more difficult to scrub between the keels than with twin keels; no easier and no less fraught than using legs to dry out with a single keel.

    The fact that Golden Hinds have made ocean passages just, I think, reinforces the two sayings: "Any boat can make an ocean passage, given the right circumstances" and "Go now, in the boat you have, rather than wait until you can get the 'ideal' boat".

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  • 02 Mar 2018 19:07
    Reply # 5885570 on 5880436
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    The reality is that people cruise successfully long term, and cross oceans, in just about any kind of yacht. With New Zealand being a central hub of South Pacific cruising we see a great variety of offshore yachts arrive on our shores. Some of them I have to admit that I would not be too keen to cruise for any length of time on, but their owners have made it work having come all the way from Europe. Whenever I see an offshore cruising yacht at the shorter end of the length spectrum I always think that those owners are getting real value for money in cruising and life experience, compared with the people who spend many hundreds of thousands of dollars on a cruising yacht. A very good example of this is our own yacht 'Footprints'. When we went to New Caledonia several years ago there was only one other offshore yacht which was smaller than our own boat. Yet we went everywhere all the larger yachts went to, spent zero time repairing faulty fancy equipment, had I imagine just as much fun as they did, and achieved all this on a very insignificant budget.

    The important thing is to have a well found seaworthy boat of an appropriate length for your needs. I have always thought 10 to 11 meters is about right for one or two people. This size gives reasonable accommodation space, usually reasonable performance and sea keeping ability, but at the same time does not make for too large a boat to maintain. Look at Eric and Susan Hiscock who were one of the pioneering circumnavigating couples in the 1950's. They went a very long way in their 30' Wanderer III. In fact having read their cruising books I got the impression that their larger later cruising yachts were not as successful as Wanderer III. 'Footprints' is admittedly a large 10 meter yacht, but we cruise successfully on her as a family of three. I have previously cruised the Pacific on an 11 meter trimaran as a family of four. Both boats were relatively inexpensive, had simple equipment, were reliable, and provided a lot of cruising enjoyment.

    Personally I would not go for a steel vessel, I have known too many people with problematic steel boats. As Annie said, it would be nice to have steel if you are going to end up on a reef somewhere, but it would be better to navigate carefully and not need the toughness of steel to get you out of trouble. Give me a well built timber boat any time, or failing that I would settle for a good fiberglass boat.

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  • 02 Mar 2018 18:30
    Reply # 5885488 on 5880436
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    Matanie is a great boat though she has been sun bathing not for maybe 5 years in Portugal.  Those masts always seem a bit skinny to me.


    Worth a look and an offer though.


  • 01 Mar 2018 07:06
    Reply # 5883259 on 5880436
    From personal experience, I would say that both long keels and steel are overrated.  Long keels were great for directional stability in the days before self-steering, but they actually can make it more difficult for self-steering gears to work.  Steel is great is you are sufficiently careless to end up on the rocks: in the meantime you have a lot of maintenance to contend with (unless you have a new boat).  Southerly yachts have made plenty of offshore voyages.  There is a twin keel yacht in the boatyard where I am presently building my boat in NZ, that has come from Germany and Totorore should convince anyone that twin keel yachts can take a lot!

    Most of the time you are not in a storm; most of the time you are at anchor.  I would prioritise having a boat that is satisfying to sail and comfortable to live on in harbour and at sea.  Then do a bit of homework and see if the boat that you like has any sisters that have done much offshore voyaging.  The internet makes this sort of research quite straightforward.

    As for heaving to, lying ahull or towing a drogue - it all depends on the boat and the sailor aboard.  As usual, I am in a minority and am not entirely convinced about Jordans drogues.  One thing I am convinced about is that I would never want to go to sea with a boat that surfs.


  • 27 Feb 2018 20:12
    Message # 5880436
    Raymond Liljeros wrote:Dear David. You are right, I only crossed between Sweden and Norway 40 years ago with my father who looked very serious as we surfed back home on some big waves as the rudder vibrated  intensely . But now that I prepare for blue waters I did not mean heave to for resting or eating which I did when sailing my Snipe when young but I was more looking for survival during an unexpected heavy storm even though this is rare. I read Storm Tactics by Lin and Larry, Get Real Get Gone and Singlehanded by Andrew Evans who races which I won't. So after this and reading on forums Even if heavy storms are unusual I don't now whether it is safe to buy a flat bottom Southerly or twin keel version to get close to beaches and up rivers and through canals as well. Some people say that a full length keel is the only really safe way to go. And steel ! Junk rig seems to be heavenly when alone or with non sailors. For the moment I plan to sail during some years from the Mediterranean sea to the carribean sea and through panama to the Pacific Ocean during the European winters (November - March. The southern oceans, not this time Thank you for your help.  My budget is 30 000 euros plus 10 000 for equipment 
    Raymond,

    to help us to give you sensible advice, could you confirm whether you will cruise alone, or with a partner and/or family? 28 - 30 ft is a good size for one person, and 33 - 35 ft is a good size for two people.

    I see that Matanie still seems to be for sale, and this might be a good match for your planned cruising - with this proviso: the rig probably ought to be renewed, with larger diameter masts and new sails; but you should be able to manage this within your budget.

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