Choosing a boat for extended cruising

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  • 06 Apr 2018 16:28
    Reply # 6050716 on 5880436
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    Oops,  Must learn to walk before running. I will now read all the help for new members before posting again.  Thank you David.

    Peter.

  • 06 Apr 2018 13:02
    Reply # 6037941 on 5880436

    Peter, if you go to the Internal Site Search box at the top of the Members' Area page, and enter 'Swaggie' and then return, you'll get quite a lot of hits.

  • 06 Apr 2018 10:41
    Reply # 6031658 on 5880436
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    As a new member I don't know whether anyone has suggested the John Welsford designed Swaggie, designed as a junk rigged boat for a single handed skipper.  It has almost nothing by way of a cockpit all sail adjustments being made from the hatch as per the leading exponent of small JR sailing Roger Taylor.  Study plans cost only $10 and can be downloaded from www.duckworksbbs.com  Full plans cost $330.  At 5.5mtrs LOD it would fail the 32ft benchmark but it is designed for backyard building.  Sadly, being old and decrepit I shall not be building one but I would be interested in anyones thoughts on this innovative mini cruiser.

  • 20 Mar 2018 07:51
    Reply # 5988537 on 5985903
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:
    Zane Krajancic wrote:


    Wait till you see what I came up with for the outboard arrangement - inspired partly by your set up on Ingeborg. Will send you pics when finally I finally splash.

    Good, Zane!

    I suggest you go for a slightly stouter outboard than my 6hp Tohatsu. Have a closer look at an 8hp Yamaha with a hi-thrust drive. Besides being more powerful, its two cylinders make it run more sweetly.

    Good luck!

    Arne


    I can certainly recommend the Yamaha hi-thrust outboards. The 9.9hp on Footprints has proven very successful. I am not sure if they still do the 8hp which we had previously. The only problem with these yamahas is the weight of them, which if on a bracket on the transom of a 26' yacht would make for a lot of weight out where you do not really want it. And the 8hp is the same weight as the 9.9hp, being just a detuned 9.9. In a well inboard of the transom is the ideal location for an outboard motor on a yacht, but this is not an easy arrangement to retrofit.
  • 19 Mar 2018 11:08
    Reply # 5985903 on 5985863
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Zane Krajancic wrote:


    Wait till you see what I came up with for the outboard arrangement - inspired partly by your set up on Ingeborg. Will send you pics when finally I finally splash.

    Good, Zane!

    I suggest you go for a slightly stouter outboard than my 6hp Tohatsu. Have a closer look at an 8hp Yamaha with a hi-thrust drive. Besides being more powerful, its two cylinders make it run more sweetly.

    Good luck!

    Arne


    Last modified: 19 Mar 2018 11:09 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 19 Mar 2018 09:54
    Reply # 5985863 on 5985855
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Annie and Zane

    I am not sure if I buy this. Although Norway is not a member of EU, we still have an economic deal with them, which means that we must follow many of their directives, including the RCD. Here the RCD means that any new boat which is to be set into production and sold, must be accepted by an ’independent’  (RCD-)board of some sort. The process of getting this approval is quite expensive. However, it is still perfectly legal to build one’s own boat and go sailing in it, but you cannot sell it within five years.

    On the other hand, an old boat in good shape, like a Contessa 26, would most certainly be regarded as a great little sea-boat over here. Her Capsize Ratio, CR=1.71, according to Cruising Club of America, which definitely puts her in the offshore-capable category.  Personally, I could hardly think of any boat under 26’, better suited for roaming around in the North Atlantic Ocean. I would have no problems with getting a Co. 26 insured in Norway.

    Unless you are now punished  by the law for going offshore in a Co26, I see no reason for selling her. Many of the light, contemporary sailboats with a CE approval on it will punish you in a much more direct way, by jumping around and broaching in a seaway, and generally misbehave and make life miserable for you out there.

    Your choice.

    Arne



    Never fear Arne, I was being sarcastic, or as we say down under "Taking the p**s".  

    I wouldn't sell my Contessa for all the tea in China. 

    As per David's quote by Joseph Conrad, it will be more about what me, the sailor, can handle when I do finally cast off, whenever that may be.  Got a wee bit of an apprenticeship to do yet my friend, and, actually getting the boat launched will be a good start. Getting there.

    Wait till you see what I came up with for the outboard arrangement - inspired partly by your set up on Ingeborg. Will send you pics when finally I finally splash.

    Last modified: 19 Mar 2018 09:56 | Anonymous member
  • 19 Mar 2018 09:43
    Reply # 5985860 on 5985836
    David Tyler wrote:
    Zane Krajancic wrote:
    Annie Hill wrote:

    I think that those buying small boats are being beaten into the ground by the Recreational Craft Directive which, more or less says that any boat under 32ft is unfit to take offshore.  The Contessa 32 barely scrapes by, the Contessa 26 doesn't.  But neither of the Mingmings nor Jester, to take two obvious examples, is considered fit for anything other than coastal work. 


    That's it. Selling my Contessa 26. Spent two years and a fair whack of dough doing her up for extended voyaging, and this RCD crowd now reckons she is no good. 

    I'll just rot in my cubicle at work for the next 25 years while I dream of saving up the hundreds of thousands of dollars I will never earn in order to be able to buy a "suitable" boat on RCD list.


    “It's not the ships, it's the men what's in them”. - Joseph Conrad

    Great quote by JC, David, and pertinent to the likes of yourself and the Annie Hill's and others that we are fortunate enough to have contributing to this forum with yours and their real blue water experience behind them. Mostly using the best rig of all too. 


  • 19 Mar 2018 09:36
    Reply # 5985855 on 5880436
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    Annie and Zane

    I am not sure if I buy this. Although Norway is not a member of EU, we still have an economic deal with them, which means that we must follow many of their directives, including the RCD. Here the RCD means that any new boat which is to be set into production and sold, must be accepted by an ’independent’  (RCD-)board of some sort. The process of getting this approval is quite expensive. However, it is still perfectly legal to build one’s own boat and go sailing in it, but you cannot sell it within five years.

    On the other hand, an old boat in good shape, like a Contessa 26, would most certainly be regarded as a great little sea-boat over here. Her Capsize Ratio, CR=1.71, according to Cruising Club of America, which definitely puts her in the offshore-capable category.  Personally, I could hardly think of any boat under 26’, better suited for roaming around in the North Atlantic Ocean. I would have no problems with getting a Co. 26 insured in Norway.

    Unless you are now punished  by the law for going offshore in a Co26, I see no reason for selling her. Many of the light, contemporary sailboats with a CE approval on it will punish you in a much more direct way, by jumping around and broaching in a seaway, and generally misbehave and make life miserable for you out there.

    Your choice.

    Arne


    Last modified: 19 Mar 2018 09:40 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 19 Mar 2018 09:13
    Reply # 5985836 on 5985803
    Zane Krajancic wrote:
    Annie Hill wrote:

    I think that those buying small boats are being beaten into the ground by the Recreational Craft Directive which, more or less says that any boat under 32ft is unfit to take offshore.  The Contessa 32 barely scrapes by, the Contessa 26 doesn't.  But neither of the Mingmings nor Jester, to take two obvious examples, is considered fit for anything other than coastal work. 


    That's it. Selling my Contessa 26. Spent two years and a fair whack of dough doing her up for extended voyaging, and this RCD crowd now reckons she is no good. 

    I'll just rot in my cubicle at work for the next 25 years while I dream of saving up the hundreds of thousands of dollars I will never earn in order to be able to buy a "suitable" boat on RCD list.


    “It's not the ships, it's the men what's in them”. - Joseph Conrad

    "Go small, go simple, go now" - The Pardeys

    Last modified: 19 Mar 2018 09:33 | Anonymous member
  • 19 Mar 2018 08:34
    Reply # 5985803 on 5984338
    Annie Hill wrote:

    I think that those buying small boats are being beaten into the ground by the Recreational Craft Directive which, more or less says that any boat under 32ft is unfit to take offshore.  The Contessa 32 barely scrapes by, the Contessa 26 doesn't.  But neither of the Mingmings nor Jester, to take two obvious examples, is considered fit for anything other than coastal work. 


    That's it. Selling my Contessa 26. Spent two years and a fair whack of dough doing her up for extended voyaging, and this RCD crowd now reckons she is no good. 

    I'll just rot in my cubicle at work for the next 25 years while I dream of saving up the hundreds of thousands of dollars I will never earn in order to be able to buy a "suitable" boat on RCD list.

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