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  • 16 Jan 2017 17:48
    Reply # 4550941 on 4550636
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    Jami Jokinen wrote:
    Phil Brown wrote:

     The second links to a site where the sailor looks to have tried different rigs on the same mast and tabernacle.  His steel tabernacle looks like it drops town to the keel around three sides of a post below deck. I haven't seen something like that before but it looks good.

    http://sv-ulladh-log.blogspot.com/p/ul-la-junk-rig-conversion.html

    Phil

    Thank you again, all :)

    The Havsfidra conversion page (link above) had also an interesting mast I haven't seen before:

    1 1/2" PVC schedule 40 pipe with 1" x 1 1/2" cedar insert set in epoxy.



    That was a yard or boom, The mast which was cedar (light but not especially strong) and 4X4 inches.  Overall the mast looks lightly built for the full keeled boat which looks like a Halman or Nordica 20.
  • 16 Jan 2017 13:31
    Reply # 4550636 on 4549411
    Phil Brown wrote:

     The second links to a site where the sailor looks to have tried different rigs on the same mast and tabernacle.  His steel tabernacle looks like it drops town to the keel around three sides of a post below deck. I haven't seen something like that before but it looks good.

    http://sv-ulladh-log.blogspot.com/p/ul-la-junk-rig-conversion.html

    Phil

    Thank you again, all :)

    The Havsfidra conversion page (link above) had also an interesting mast I haven't seen before:

    1 1/2" PVC schedule 40 pipe with 1" x 1 1/2" cedar insert set in epoxy.



  • 16 Jan 2017 07:56
    Reply # 4550106 on 4515828
    Anonymous

    JRA Mag Issue 61 p. 32.

    Chris

  • 16 Jan 2017 00:20
    Reply # 4549527 on 4515828

    There is an article in one of the JRA magazines about the construction of Speedwell's tablernacle by Pete Hill and Shirley Carter, with photos.  I don't have the time to research which issue it was but it was sometime in the last 5-6 years. 

  • 15 Jan 2017 21:31
    Reply # 4549411 on 4515828
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    Jamie,

    I' d do a sketch but my scanner is not working.  It's surprisingly hard to find a good picture of a tabernacle online. The first link here shows a pretty traditional looking tabernacle for a wood mast. The second links to a site where the sailor looks to have tried different rigs on the same mast and tabernacle.  His steel tabernacle looks like it drops town to the keel around three sides of a post below deck. I haven't seen something like that before but it looks good.

    http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-g/21359-5962779.jpg

    http://sv-ulladh-log.blogspot.com/p/ul-la-junk-rig-conversion.html

    Phil

  • 14 Jan 2017 21:17
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    David Tyler wrote:
    Scott Dufour wrote:

    I looked in my usual reference, David Gerr's "Elements of Boat Strength", as well as a few other places, and I can't find guidance for tabernacle scantlings.  I trust David's numbers, though.  Out of curiosity David, how do you calculate those? 

    Pure empiricism, in this case. But for a case where I hadn't got previous experience, I'd consider the diameter and wall thickness at partners level that a wooden mast to PJR scantlings would need to be, for the height and sail area under consideration, and then attempt to design something of equal strength.

    Makes sense.  I'd  think that the "LAP",  Length Above Partners,  for the calculation for the mast diameter would actually be,  Length Above Tabernacle Top,  not length above deck. That will save me about 1/2 in thickness for the tabernacle sides. 


  • 14 Jan 2017 21:05
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    Jami Jokinen wrote:

    Would someone please be a sport and draw a simple sketch of these last ideas?

    I'm still having difficulties in understanding the construction and usage that came up a few posst earlier. Sorry :/




    I think this is what we are talking about:


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  • 14 Jan 2017 09:42
    Reply # 4547905 on 4515828

    Would someone please be a sport and draw a simple sketch of these last ideas?

    I'm still having difficulties in understanding the construction and usage that came up a few posst earlier. Sorry :/




  • 13 Jan 2017 21:43
    Reply # 4547182 on 4515828

    This thread has become fascinating: Mr Webmaster, is there any way of splicing the tabernacle postings into the tabernacle/mast pivot structure thread, so that it's all in one place for future reference, please?

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  • 13 Jan 2017 17:00
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    David,

    Wow, I just edited out much of my post thinking  I was making your idea too complicated. Luckily I had it on word: It began even longer with an idea about a vertical ginpole attached to the tabernacle to bring the Mast close to vertical but then why not use the forward facing tabernacle that way:

    Original:

    I had to look up Colombie- egg but now I really know what it means. Duh! That allows the pivot to be at the base, so much simpler.

    It allows the the base and pivot to be just a shallow box or socket. Or perhaps a hinge or pivot bolt would allow a larger mast. A hole through the mast base along with a locking clamp at the base would have minimal stress risk compared to one further up on the mast and would be easier to plug for additional re-enforcement, I think. (On my old cabin stepped stayed mast the hole in the step was vertically elongated to allow the mast pivot on the through bolt and on its heel and then set down on the step.)

    With the beefy 2 sided tabernacle that Phil Bolger drew up, which worked fine for my square mast, I had to have a hefty U clamp at the base as well as a sizable bolt through the mast which was re-enforced with 1/16 SS plate by the pivot. The plus was its simplicity. A drawback was the additional windage it presented.



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