Noisy, squeaky batten anti chafe

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  • 10 Dec 2016 14:29
    Reply # 4451395 on 4382208

    I've been having Internet problems lately but connected again now. An update to the noise problem: I re-rigged the mast lift as a lazyjack and that helped a lot. I couldn't find silicone grease but I did find something called Sil Glyde which is meant for disk brakes. It's supposed to be water and heat resistant and it solved the problem. No more squeaking

    The only bad thing about it is that it's yellowish and doesn't look good on my white mast, but the silence is beautiful.

  • 15 Nov 2016 23:04
    Reply # 4394290 on 4382208

    Today I noticed something which in hindsight is rather obvious, the problem is with the mainmast but not so much with  the foremast. The difference is the lazyjacks. On the foremast there are lazyjacks forward and aft the mast with little weight on the mast line. On the main most of the weight is on the mast line pinching 

    the sail and battens very hard against the mast. I have an idea for how to fix it, will try rigging a lift on the other side to form a basket so there ought to be less pressure against the mast. Next time I'm shopping will check the dollar stores for cheap rope as well. 

  • 15 Nov 2016 19:22
    Reply # 4393899 on 4390456
    Robert Leask wrote:

     I like the idea of wrapping rope around the battens, have you found any particular type of rope to work best? I'm thinking soft laid nylon 3 strand might work well.

    heavens, no!  It will cost you a fortune - you'll need miles of it.  The last time I used the system, I used some very cheap polyethylene rope - not the super shiny stuff, though.  However, these days a lot of DIY places sell cheap rope and, in truth, about all it's fit for is wrapping around battens.  It looks like pretty flash braid on braid, but if you cut it and examine the core, it's made of something that bears a very strong resemblance to a 'J-cloth'.  The breaking strain of this stuff is about 35kg or something equally risible.  However it's often very affordable.  Failing that, see if you can get hold of something the fishermen have thrown away!
  • 15 Nov 2016 09:14
    Reply # 4391317 on 4382208

    A thought: silicone grease or silicone aerosol spray will probably bring some short term relief whilst you find a long term solution.

  • 14 Nov 2016 23:07
    Reply # 4390456 on 4382208

    I guess they must be plasticized pvc, they are noisy. For now wrapping the towel around the mast solves the problem, but I don't want to have to do that every time I anchor. I like the idea of wrapping rope around the battens, have you found any particular type of rope to work best? I'm thinking soft laid nylon 3 strand might work well. Part of the problem is that the steel column supporting the mainmast is inches from my ear while in the berth, and it seems to act something like a sound box of a musical instrument, with the battens like a violin bow. But theres nothing pleasant about this sound.

  • 14 Nov 2016 22:39
    Reply # 4390402 on 4382208

    After trying different things, I now have closed cell foam wrapped around my battens, yard and boom, using duct tape to hold them in place, then covered with an acrylic sleeve I sewed up by hand.  The acrylic is chafing a bit but is easily replaced.  I still have a lot of noise in my alloy mast though, especially when sailing, which seems to come from the yard hauling and luff hauling parrels under tension.  If there is a steady wind and an easy sea, the noise is minimal, but in lighter winds when the sail starts to lift, it's really loud.  I have discovered that I can get used to any background noise when sailing, if I just ignore it long enough, especially as I am a solo sailor and always keep one ear cocked for strange noises when sleeping.  I do like a quiet night at anchor though.  I have a line from the fwd end of the boom that goes around the mast and back to the fwd end, to hold the boom aft (not sure what you call it) and this remains under tension when the sail is lowered, and will squeak like crazy with the slightest movement of the bundle.  The only way I can stop the noise (when rolling at anchor) is to tie my bundle off firmly to stop it moving.  I find the easiest way to stop the furled bundle moving is to tie the bundle off to one side then put tension on the sheet to counteract this.  For me, this has the added bonus of exposing the solar panels on my cockpit roof to the sun.  Bliss...now if only that yappy dog on the nearby boat would shut up!

  • 13 Nov 2016 21:14
    Reply # 4382563 on 4382208
    It sounds like Robert is keeping his lines quiet: it's the battens that are causing the noise.  Another thing that works well, Robert, is wrapping cheap rope around the battens.  No squeaking and it softens the banging, too.  Black alkythene is hard, long wearing but might bang.  Polythene tubing is great, but quite expensive (so is the alkythene for that matter), but, as David says, subject to UV degradation which makes it go sticky in the first place.  Not nice.  I've used fire hose in the past, quite successfully.  If you're prepared to put a wee bit of effort into the issue, closed-cell foam wrapped in slippery cloth would work well.  (The closed-cell foam is not very robust on its own.) 

    I hope that you are going to write up all about your conversion and how you find the rig, for the magazine.  She sounds like a lovely boat.

  • 13 Nov 2016 19:39
    Reply # 4382479 on 4382208

    Another little trick for ensuring a good night's sleep - and one only possible with an unstayed mast - is to wind your burgee halyard four or five times round the mast in a spiral, outside of the main halyard, lazy-jack downhauls, mast-lift, etc.  Stops lines slapping against the mast, whatever the weather.

  • 13 Nov 2016 17:55
    Reply # 4382435 on 4382208

    Hi,

    When anchoring or alongside, sailing done for the day, lower the sailbundel and tie it up to prevent it from swinging. Tie up the haliyard to stop the banging on the mast. Sleep well.

    Regards

    Ketil

  • 13 Nov 2016 16:09
    Reply # 4382286 on 4382208

    It sounds as though your batten anti-chafe tubes are made from plasticised PVC, which has a high coeefficient of friction, resulting in squeaking. Some of the harder plastics are better for squeaking, but will tend to tap, instead. I use black plumbing wastepipe, which is available in the UK at 32mm and 40mm diameter. I believe it's ABS plastic. Polythene water pipe has a low coefficient of friction, and may be soft enough not to tap, but unless it's black will be vulnerable to UV damage, eventually. Ex Fire Service hose has been used successfully.

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