PBO Junk Rig article

  • 16 Aug 2014 01:11
    Reply # 3075682 on 3075436
    David Tyler wrote:Give me JR every time, when the wind is gusting and swirling around mountains ... or when a vicious squall comes through. In these conditions, speed of reefing and shaking out reefs is an important factor in keeping a boat going at her best.

    I don’t usually look at yachting comics, but I thought I'd better make an exception in this case. I got the Zinio online copy, and the only way I could copy it was as a screen shot, hence the poor quality.


    I’d say that the junk came out on top, too. A highly tuned racing Splinter vs a low budget, low tech experimentally rigged Splinter, and still not much in it, overall speedwise, if they’d sailed around the usual upwind/downwind race course, as they did with the Beneteau wing sail. Just infinitely easier handling, when things get tricky. And they don’t do these trials in tricky conditions, always in smooth waters and easy sailing conditions.

    I remember when you and I were sailing together in the Marlborough Sounds, in just such conditions, and we were the only ones sailing.  Says it all, doesn't it?
  • 15 Aug 2014 18:45
    Reply # 3075436 on 3045049

    I don’t usually look at yachting comics, but I thought I'd better make an exception in this case. I got the Zinio online copy.

    I’d say that the junk came out on top, according to the criteria that I use to judge a rig. A highly-tuned-rig-for-racing Splinter vs a low budget, low tech, experimentally rigged Splinter, and still probably not much in it, overall speed-wise, if the boats had been truly identical, and if they’d sailed around the usual upwind/downwind race course, as they did with the Beneteau bermudan rig vs wing sail, for Voiles et Voiliers magazine. Just much easier handling with JR, when things get tricky. And they don’t do these trials in tricky conditions, always in smooth waters and easy sailing conditions. Give me JR every time, when the wind is gusting and swirling around mountains or high buildings, or when a vicious squall comes through. In these conditions, speed of reefing and shaking out reefs is an important factor in keeping a boat going at her best.

    I don’t usually look at yachting comics, but I thought I'd better make an exception in this case. I got the Zinio online copy, and the only way I could copy it was as a screen shot, hence the poor quality.


    I’d say that the junk came out on top, too. A highly tuned racing Splinter vs a low budget, low tech experimentally rigged Splinter, and still not much in it, overall speedwise, if they’d sailed around the usual upwind/downwind race course, as they did with the Beneteau wing sail. Just infinitely easier handling, when things get tricky. And they don’t do these trials in tricky conditions, always in smooth waters and easy sailing conditions.

  • 15 Aug 2014 17:46
    Reply # 3075394 on 3045049
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I also received the September PBO today. It doesn’t look too good for Amiina’as part; she dropped behind both when close-hauled and on a reach. That Bermuda-rigged boat must be about the smartest in the fleet, so she would not be easy to beat for other Bm-rigged boats either.

    Still, one runs into the racing dilemma: With a JR (with constant camber) you have to keep the sail area down to keep the handicap down, but you don’t pay for being able to adjust the camber under way, as the Bm-rigged boats can.

    That’s why I prefer to be a free sailor and produce fjord flyers, with performance only restricted by economy, safety and (lack of) comfort.

    Next year, hopefully, I will have my 26’ Marieholm IF ready with a JR and then she will be tested (raced) thoroughly against a friend’s race-tuned Nordic Folkboat. We will have a whole summer and can try them in different conditions. The folkboat-owner, Allan, sailed with me in Frøken Sørensen yesterday, and when noting our tacking angle, he expressed concerns for the next season...

     

    Cheers, Arne

     

  • 15 Aug 2014 09:25
    Reply # 3075152 on 3045049
    Having read the PBO article, I would say it was very balanced and fair. I get the impression though, that the winds were very light (what were the actual winds?) and with Amiina carrying an extra 100kg of ballast (approx 11% extra overall weight) than "Whisper", that definitely skewed the results somewhat. So it wasn't strictly speaking, a level playing field. It would be interesting to have the same experiment again at higher wind strengths with "Amiina" retaining her extra ballast and both again sailing singlehanded. Also, I wonder in % terms, how much slower was "Amiina" upwind than "Whisper"? Although the photos can be deceptive, it looked as though "Amiina" has very little camber on her "mainsail" area. Anyone else's thoughts?
  • 15 Aug 2014 02:27
    Reply # 3074839 on 3073699
    Edward Hooper wrote:

    We are working on it Annie, but PBO editor likes to hang onto it for a while.

    David Harding has said he will do his best for us.  Maybe DT or your good self would have more leverage than little me!

    Well, the JRA magazine won't be out until October, so PBO will have had plenty of time to sell all their copies.  DT is editor - I'm a mere minion, so it's really up to him :-)
  • 14 Aug 2014 19:04
    Reply # 3074168 on 3073537
    Deleted user
    Annie Hill wrote:Is there any chance that it will be offered to the JRA for inclusion in the magazine, for those of us who can't get access to PBO?
    Hi Annie, 

    Of course I can try and scan it, and email it then to you.  Not quite the same, but as good as ;-))

  • 14 Aug 2014 10:25
    Reply # 3073699 on 3045049
    Deleted user

    We are working on it Annie, but PBO editor likes to hang onto it for a while.

    David Harding has said he will do his best for us.  Maybe DT or your good self would have more leverage than little me!

  • 14 Aug 2014 02:14
    Reply # 3073537 on 3045049
    Is there any chance that it will be offered to the JRA for inclusion in the magazine, for those of us who can't get access to PBO?
  • 13 Aug 2014 11:50
    Reply # 3072555 on 3045049
    Deleted user

    Excellent! I return home from Germany tomorrow, and look forward to finding my copy on the doormat!

  • 13 Aug 2014 05:31
    Reply # 3072440 on 3045049
    Deleted user

    The PBO ( Practical Boat Owners ) September issue has now been mailed to subscribers, and goes on sale in the shops tomorrow.  David Harding's 4 page article is there, plus an editorial comment.

    I have not seen the finished  article yet, but early reports say it is very fair and well written.  Hope it helps.

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