Yachting World 5 tonner -- possible conversion

  • 10 Feb 2025 17:32
    Reply # 13461284 on 13457716

    Perhaps not a flagpole, more of a lamp post is needed?

  • 10 Feb 2025 15:59
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    Andre wrote:

    Arne, thank you very much for the text. It is a mine of information. I was surprised you find the centroid the old style way. I thought you'd have some whizzy way of doing it! Cheers.


    I certainly am not too proud to use old, analogue methods. Remember, I write for amateur sail makers, and very few of them have full-size plotters, not to mention cnc-cutters. Just think of the bendy wooden spline to create the round in the batten panels.
    And then there is the Chain Calculator... 
    bit.ly/4hArEiU

    Arne

    PS: And yes  -  my first calculator was a slide-rule (from Faber-Castell)...
  • 10 Feb 2025 14:49
    Reply # 13461179 on 13457716

    Graham, thanks for that, re. mast. It sounds like it may need a good helping of luck to find the right thing. Yours sounds perfect. One problem I may have is that where we live, the last few miles are single track roads with grass growing up the middle. We can't get big trucks down here so it may be difficult getting something delivered in one piece.

    I'll give David a shout and see if he has any more ideas. We met up in Scotland a few years ago when we did some testing with Alan Boswell of the differences between Weaverbird and my conventional rigged boat Calisto

  • 10 Feb 2025 14:39
    Reply # 13461174 on 13457716

    Arne, thank you very much for the text. It is a mine of information. I was surprised you find the centroid the old style way. I thought you'd have some whizzy way of doing it! Cheers.

  • 10 Feb 2025 14:31
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    Hi Paul.

    Thanks for your input. I was thinking of using Newport sailcloth, from Kayospruce. I have an account with them so can get 50% discount. I think the biggest stumbling block will be the mast, I have limited funds and the price of even straight round tubing is scary, never mind tapered!

    Thanks for the Rhino info. I have used Rhino quite a bit in the past but now I tend to focus on Fusion for my 3D printing. I'll have another look at Rhino, but I'm afraid there aren't enough hours in the day recently. At least I'm never bored!


  • 10 Feb 2025 14:10
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    Andrew wrote:

    Hi Graham. About the mast. I'll be doing the conversion myself and the mast is going to be the biggest expense. I know you're not in the UK but any tips on how to source a tapered mast of that size?

    I'm going to be sewing the sail myself, I have a semi-industrial machine and lots of experience with heavy fabrics, plus I have an account with one of the big suppliers so can get sailcloth at 50%. So the mast is the big unknown.

    The mast I had on ARION was made in France and imported to Australia, it was 10.5m long by 200mm dia and 5mm wall thickness, tapering to 110mm at the truck.  I believe it was the bottom half of a 20+m flagpole.  I might have the manufacturer's name recorded somewhere in my files.  Started with a V from memory!  There is nothing like that made here but I have heard it should not be an issue in Europe.  David Tyler suggested sourcing a 'hurricane' flagpole.  That sounds strong enough!  Good luck, it may be your biggest challenge.  It certainly is mine.  Annie Hill suggests I consider timber, sheathed with epoxy and fibreglass.  That certainly worked very well for BADGER.
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  • 09 Feb 2025 17:26
    Reply # 13460932 on 13457716

    Hi Andrew,

    nice to follow up on your project. Thanks for sharing!

    Just a thought: did you consider using UV-resistant cloths instead of sailcloth? We used Swela Outgard (190 g/m²) for Ilvy, and are very happy with it. She wears a cambered junk rig about your planned size, 35 m², and sailshape. The sail was also designed by Arne, and is a direct copy of Boudicca.

    Ilvy's mast is 180 mm at the partners, tapered alu. I got Nedal to sell me the raw tube of a flag mast. However, I'm located in Germany, not the UK... For me, the mast was definitely the bottleneck of the whole conversion project.

    Cheers,

    Paul


    PS: Rhino is superb at free form CAD, and comes with native calculation of geometrical centers.

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  • 09 Feb 2025 16:13
    Reply # 13460900 on 13457716
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    Andrew,

    my QCAD program cannot find the geometrical centre of irregular shapes, so I have to do it the old-fashioned way; balancing the printed-out shape, measuring the positions and transfer the numbers to the CAD again. Good enough.
    See Chapter 3, p. 1 in TCPJR.

    http://goo.gl/u9LupX


    Arne

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  • 09 Feb 2025 11:37
    Reply # 13460855 on 13457716

    Arne, thank you, that looks superb. Would you mind telling me how you mathematically calculate CLR and CE. The only thing I can find in the books is balancing bits of card on a knife edge!

    I've been practising surface modelling for a few days with Fusion 360 and have nearly finished a spoon! The hull will be the next step, so I should have a 3d model soon, which I can then 3D print!

  • 09 Feb 2025 11:34
    Reply # 13460854 on 13457716

    Hi Graham. About the mast. I'll be doing the conversion myself and the mast is going to be the biggest expense. I know you're not in the UK but any tips on how to source a tapered mast of that size?

    I'm going to be sewing the sail myself, I have a semi-industrial machine and lots of experience with heavy fabrics, plus I have an account with one of the big suppliers so can get sailcloth at 50%. So the mast is the big unknown.

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