1977 Rhodes Traveler 32 possible junk rig conversion

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  • 23 Jan 2025 07:13
    Reply # 13453861 on 13452797

    Jonny, I agree that steel is a viable option for a heavy-displacement yacht with good ballast ratios, like yours (and mine).  A friend replaced his timber masts on a 28ft steel-hulled Spray in Asia more than a decade ago (Si Hai, junk schooner) and has had no issues.  He sourced them from China.  Paul Thompson in NZ has built a few tapered steel masts with success, including for La Chica, his 32ft Tahitiana design.  If you properly seal the ends, there should be little internal corrosion, and any external rust spots are easy to see and address.  Also, as any old Breton tunny fisherman could tell you (if there are any still alive), a bit of weight aloft eases the motion.  They used to hoist a heavy fisherman anchor up the mast a bit when hove to in a Biscay gale.

  • 23 Jan 2025 03:31
    Reply # 13453838 on 13453821
    Anonymous wrote:

    I reply to mast specifications.  I am no engineer, like David Tyler, a bush engineer perhaps, or monkey see, monkey do might be more accurate.  Arion's mast was 10.5m from base to truck, 200mm diameter for the first 40% of its height, then tapering to 110mm at the truck. It was spun-tapered in one piece, with a 5mm wall thickness, and Arion set 35 sq m of sail.  I think you might need 250mm diameter at the partners and 6mm wall thickness, for a mast of that size and 60sq m of sail, with the truck being between 120 and 150mm, at a guess.  I priced an alloy extrusion with those dimensions here in Australia recently and they quoted me $18,000AU.  Go jump!  Affordable mast options remain a major challenge for a junk rig conversion on my new boat.  I think there are more options in the USA for tapered alloy poles, though.

    I have done a few searches with Aluminum flagpole companies over the years , and seems to be the way to go, but I also know of a few scrap yards with a huge lot of poles to be had for scrap.

    Also , after all of my experience on Iris over the last year (and this coming spring!) , I am absolutely NOT opposed to using a galvanized steel. Iris' 2 sticks come in at almost the exact same weight as Hasler's recommendation for solid timber masts. They are approximately 15 years old and show ZERO signs of corrosion.

  • 23 Jan 2025 03:27
    Reply # 13453837 on 13453744
    Anonymous wrote:

    Jonny

    That JR is based on a Johanna 65 master sail with AR = 1.10, so was quite quick to draw up.

    Mast length.
    The shown mast is 13.66m above wl. In addition there is 497mm down from the wl. to the cabin sole, so together that should be about 14.16m. Any more or less length at the bottom end depends on how you build the mast step.

    Then there is the boom height.
    The clew appears to sit about 76cm above deck. With the 22% mast balance, the clew will hit the guardrail unless you let it pass over it. Maybe you should consider lifting the boom 10-15cm to be on the safe side? Then the mast must be lengthened with the same amount...

    Mast thickness.
    I find it quite difficult to do a proper calculation of mast scantlings, as the boats grow much bigger than I am used to (Traveller’s disp. = 6441kg). It appears that the Traveller will need an aluminium mast with diameter between 25 and 28cm, and with wall thickness of 5-6mm, depending on the alloy grade available.

    Frankly, the best tip I can give is to ask David Tyler. His Tystie was in the same displacement league, so the mast which worked for him, is likely to work for your boat as well.

    Good luck.
    Arne

    (Arne's Sketches section 8-23)

    Thanks Arne. Those mast dimensions you mention are very close to what I was sort "guesstimating" Hopefully David will see this and comment as well , or I'll send him a message at some point. First things first with this boat will be:

    To get her engine running 

    and

    To make a few calls and see if the tapered mast that I know about is still available.

    fingers and toes crossed on that one!

    I'm already living aboard , and she is quite the well built and good looking little ship. She'll be even better with a junk rig.


    best.

  • 23 Jan 2025 02:50
    Reply # 13453821 on 13452797

    I reply to mast specifications.  I am no engineer, like David Tyler, a bush engineer perhaps, or monkey see, monkey do might be more accurate.  Arion's mast was 10.5m from base to truck, 200mm diameter for the first 40% of its height, then tapering to 110mm at the truck. It was spun-tapered in one piece, with a 5mm wall thickness, and Arion set 35 sq m of sail.  I think you might need 250mm diameter at the partners and 6mm wall thickness, for a mast of that size and 60sq m of sail, with the truck being between 120 and 150mm, at a guess.  I priced an alloy extrusion with those dimensions here in Australia recently and they quoted me $18,000AU.  Go jump!  Affordable mast options remain a major challenge for a junk rig conversion on my new boat.  I think there are more options in the USA for tapered alloy poles, though.

  • 22 Jan 2025 23:00
    Reply # 13453744 on 13452797
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jonny

    That JR is based on a Johanna 65 master sail with AR = 1.10, so was quite quick to draw up.

    Mast length.
    The shown mast is 13.66m above wl. In addition there is 497mm down from the wl. to the cabin sole, so together that should be about 14.16m. Any more or less length at the bottom end depends on how you build the mast step.

    Then there is the boom height.
    The clew appears to sit about 76cm above deck. With the 22% mast balance, the clew will hit the guardrail unless you let it pass over it. Maybe you should consider lifting the boom 10-15cm to be on the safe side? Then the mast must be lengthened with the same amount...

    Mast thickness.
    I find it quite difficult to do a proper calculation of mast scantlings, as the boats grow much bigger than I am used to (Traveller’s disp. = 6441kg). It appears that the Traveller will need an aluminium mast with diameter between 25 and 28cm, and with wall thickness of 5-6mm, depending on the alloy grade available.

    Frankly, the best tip I can give is to ask David Tyler. His Tystie was in the same displacement league, so the mast which worked for him, is likely to work for your boat as well.

    Good luck.
    Arne

    (Arne's Sketches section 8-23)

    Last modified: 22 Jan 2025 23:14 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 22 Jan 2025 18:40
    Reply # 13453577 on 13453355
    Anonymous wrote:
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    The length of the trunk cabin seems to vary a bit between drawings.
    Now I have drawn a rig with the mast about 150mm forward of the bulkhead forward of the loo. That mast could even be moved 100mm or so to the port side.
    Have a look.
    Arne

    ( See Arne's sketches, section 8 - 22)

     That looks exciting!
    I KNEW you would like this Graham!!! Right up your alley!
  • 22 Jan 2025 09:39
    Reply # 13453355 on 13452924
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    The length of the trunk cabin seems to vary a bit between drawings.
    Now I have drawn a rig with the mast about 150mm forward of the bulkhead forward of the loo. That mast could even be moved 100mm or so to the port side.
    Have a look.
    Arne

    ( See Arne's sketches, section 8 - 22)

     That looks exciting!
  • 22 Jan 2025 05:12
    Reply # 13453340 on 13452797

    Thank you Arne! That looks incredible. Very much how I was envisioning it.

    And , my hopes for mast placement seem to be ok.  Do you know roughly what length and diameter mast she will require?


    best,


    Jonny

  • 21 Jan 2025 14:28
    Reply # 13452924 on 13452797
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    The length of the trunk cabin seems to vary a bit between drawings.
    Now I have drawn a rig with the mast about 150mm forward of the bulkhead forward of the loo. That mast could even be moved 100mm or so to the port side.
    Have a look.
    Arne

    ( See Arne's sketches, section 8 - 22)

  • 21 Jan 2025 00:14
    Reply # 13452800 on 13452797

    a few pics

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