La Chica's new sails

  • 10 Jun 2012 07:21
    Reply # 959597 on 958907
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

                                                              Stavanger, Sunday morning

    Congratulations and good luck Paul!

    Actually, today is the 6th and hopefully last day of a sailmaking project in Stavanger: I am helping a friend, Håvard Hjertvik, who recently bought Edmond Dantes from Ketil Greve, with making a new sail. It is basically a copy of Johanna’s 48sqm sail. The only difference is that we have increased the camber a bit (from 8 to 9%) in the lower 4 panels. It will be interesting to see how Johanna and ED compare with this new sail on.

    Sail material is white Odyssey III.

    Arne

    PS: Yes, we finished that sail at lunch-time today. See here and there. I hope to make a write up about how we did it, but basically the project is a scaled-up version of how I made Broremann's 10sqm sail in 2009.

    Last modified: 10 Jun 2012 21:01 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 10 Jun 2012 02:01
    Reply # 959420 on 959268
    Kurt Jon Ulmer wrote:Great to hear, Paul!
    Hope LaChica enjoys her last days in the yard.
    Sailplan looks right.
    Cheers,
    Kurt

    Thanks Kurt, she's champing at the bit now not to talk of the skipper who is finding it very hard to restrain himself and just splash her now. It does however make sense to finish off the remaining work in the yard.
  • 10 Jun 2012 01:57
    Reply # 959417 on 958907
    Hi Slieve,

    Yes, I am of cause aware of your reservations about "excess material" in the standard shelf foot method. However in practice I have found it not to be a problem. Aphrodite's (where I used the standard shelf foot) sails inflate readily and she has a real (measured on board) camber of 11%. Her sails are made of Top Gun which is heavy, so I have few worries on those grounds as the Mustang is much lighter.

    I did seriously consider using the 45 deg shelf but in the end I did not want to spend the extra time and effort, may be next time. Now I want to get sailing the shore leave has gone on for far too long.

    I did also consider using broad seam but my cloth is 1 560mm wide and so does not naturally give me conveniently sized panels to broad seam, darts and tucks just don't attract me at all. So all things considered, the standard shelf foot suited my case the best. Another time, place or different material I may very well decide differently.

    Yes, the stick and string models spell out the geometry issues (if you have any) very, very clearly. There is no cloth to fudge any potential problems.  I would suggest that anyone who does not have substantial experience and who is deviating from a bog standard HM rig use them to check there ideas.

    Ps. The idea of the photo's is not to show off my needle work but to show whats involved in constructing a professional grade sail and give clues and hints to those who are about to start on their own sail making projects.
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  • 09 Jun 2012 23:09
    Reply # 959327 on 958907

    Hi Paul

    Thanks for the report and photos on you needle work. I’m glad to see that you found it useful to use stick and string models to see how the rig will hang. I’m convinced if more people tried it there would be fewer high stressed rigs about, and less rig damage. I’m sure you realise I’m not so happy with the excess material in flat shelf foot construction, so I will continue to encourage the use of round and broadseam which is very easy after building the first panel.

    The next sail I’m involved with will use Method 4 for joining the panels. It’s a new method we’re trying where the join is reinforced and the battens are lashed to the sail without pockets. It might suit long distance sailors who don’t want to have to slide battens into pockets when in deep water. Hopefully it will also allow Thai-Style construction to be used so that individual panels can be taken out of service for repair while still under way.

    Cheers, Slieve.

  • 09 Jun 2012 21:48
    Reply # 959268 on 958907
    Great to hear, Paul!
    Hope LaChica enjoys her last days in the yard.
    Sailplan looks right.
    Cheers,
    Kurt
    Last modified: 09 Jun 2012 22:01 | Anonymous member
  • 09 Jun 2012 09:02
    Message # 958907
    Well after 5 weeks of sewing & cutting in every available free moment La Chica's new sails are finally made. Can't wait to splash her and get to try them. Not to long now :-)
    I have posted a few photos and a .png of the sail plan in the album under my profile. Here's an easy  link to them Sail Photos

    A few points may be of interest. Unlike most western junk rig schooners (but like many traditional Chinese junks) the geometry of the two sails is slightly different. This occurs because the sails have differing amounts of balance. Playing around with stick models (and experience gained from Aphrodite) has shown me that balance and yard angle are related. That is, less balance - steeper yard angle, more balance - shallower yard angle.

    If you workout your sail geometry bearing the above in mind, your sail will essentially fall into position without to much trouble.

    The head of the foresail has two panels because three were to small and simply did not look right while two panels on the main gave panel sizes that were just to large. The resulting look while slightly unusual does not look to bad to my eye.

    The sails are made from Marchem "Mustang" (used to be know as "Topyssey") which is around 8oz to the yard. I have now made sails from Odyssey, Mustang and Top Gun.with Mustang proving to be by far the most pleasant to work with. It is better behaved than Odyssey as it is a great deal less stretchy and being lighter than Top Gun makes it physically easier to handle. The sewing machine also seemed to like it and it did not pucker in the same way that Odyssey tends to (you can minimize that by using lots of foot pressure).

    The sails were built using the "shelf foot" method simply because I now have a lot of experience with it and because it suits my work space. The method also gives good control over the shape. Of all the methods that we currently use, the "shelf-foot" probably comes closes to WYSIWYG which is a plus in my eyes.

    The camber profile is pretty much that shown in Slieve's write up on his split rig. Entry angle is around 8 deg with maximum camber at 35%. The sail would have been easier to make with a shallower angle of entry but one of the advantages of getting the camber far forward is that it also moves the CE forward and I want that. La Chica has a full keel along with a deep forefoot and that has made getting the CE as far forward as possible a necessity. 

    To avoid having to pass the whole bundle through the sewing machine I made the panels up individually and then joined them up and put the batten pockets on as per Arne's method 2. However the leach and the luff where built up using classical sail making methods. Simply because I need these sails to go 40 000 odd miles with hopefully the minimum of attention.

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