sail catcher

  • 15 Oct 2020 09:33
    Reply # 9304898 on 9304591

    I just looked at David's link, and the newsletter article from 20 years ago and there it is, the same pattern as we see on Blue Destiny.  I guess that must be where it came from. The pool of invention and development which has come out of that little group continues to be surprising and impressive.

    Currently the only boat I have in commission is a trailer boat and when not sailing (which is most of the time) the rig is dismantled - so the UV protection is a non-issue in that case. The sail catcher then is a convenient long narrow bag which holds sail, battens and all the string in a fairly tangle-free and easily managed bundle. When sailing it can be a useful place to stow an oar or a boat hook- but mainly as a muzzle when reefing or handing the sail, for those pesky jibs which as David has pointed out are a "problem" with the split sail, though a minor one.

     For my next sail, which will be left permanently covered between outings, I will sew a flap along the port side of the catcher, on the inside, which lives tucked inside the sail catcher, but which can be pulled out and over the top and tied down like a sail cover, in a jiffy. I won't be using a zip. I think the flap is better than what Arne has proposed in his last paragraph, but I guess there are plenty of ways, equally good. (I suppose the flap would work equally well on the configuration David made for Ivory Gull, but no doubt that has already been thought of too.)

    Each to his/her own I suppose. I must say I do also like the elegance and simplicity of David's later style of catcher, the simple cloth triangles - I have seen a nice one on one of Paul's sails. For  SJR though, the McGalliard style is part of the package and I like mine very much.



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  • 15 Oct 2020 08:39
    Reply # 9304864 on 9304591

     I used the asymmetric form of permanently-rigged sailcatcher, cut away on one side in way of the batten parrels, on Ivory Gull between 1995 - 2000, and there's a brief note about it in JRA NL 36, pp 23 - 24. I guess it stayed in use until she got a new suit of sails fairly recently.  It works. Whether it's worth the trouble of making it is another matter. I think it depends on the kind of usage of the vessel. A boat that lies idle all week and goes out for brief sails at the weekend will benefit from being able to zip it closed quickly and easily, in the manner of the bermudan equivalents. A boat that goes for long cruises, using the sail most days , covering the sail only when not cruising- not so much. Since I used this form of catcher on Ivory Gull, I experimented with lesser and lesser forms of it, coming down to simple cloth triangles fore and aft. These have some merit, catching the sail effectively without nipping it between small diameter line and spar; but on the whole, I get along quite well nowadays with simple spans of light line to catch the sail. There just isn't the SJR's problem of having to find a way to muzzle the jiblets, with any form of un-split rig.

    Malliemac had a full length sailcatcher rigged on one side of the mast, when first rigged, and this was made possible because there were no batten parrels, just upper and lower luff parrels. This, however, is not a good way of rigging a sail, as there is insufficient control when hoisting and lowering. Malliemac now has batten parrels and an asymmetric catcher. 


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  • 15 Oct 2020 08:27
    Reply # 9304862 on 9304591
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    Interesting, Graeme.

    Could it be that the troublesome batten parrels were of the rope type? I used rope type batten parrels on my first sail, but soon found they tended to catch each other when hoisting sail. Changing to 20mm webbing  solved the problem. It would not surprise me if batten parrels from webbing would be less prone to be jammed by that sail catcher tube as well.

    I surely think the Slieve-type sail-catcher looks good, and it is on my to-do list.

    Arne

    PS: Could tit be that the owner of the sails on the photos below chose to cut the starboard tube short for another reason? It appears that the the sail catcher has been closed at the top by pulling the two tubes together. This would be impossible if both tubes were full length.

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  • 15 Oct 2020 02:59
    Message # 9304591

    There was an exchange on one of the threads a few months ago (I can't find which one) in which I had extolled the vertues of the McGalliard style sail catcher which suits the split junk rig so well - and it was contended that it won't work for an unsplit sail for reasons given that did not seem right to me. The working of the sail catcher has nothing to do with the split in the sail, of course.

    Never the less, the system has been tried on a conventional rig and in at least one instance (I think it might have been FengZheng) had to be discarded because the batten parrels refused to slip down between the mast and the starboard tube of the sail catcher. Battens stacked up above the catcher and would not readily drop down into it.

    One can't argue with a clear and real example, but since the split in the sail has nothing to do with it, it left me puzzled why the catcher works so well for the split rig. It finally dawned on me that both sides of the argument might be correct - that the reason it works on the SJR is because (according to the way Slieve set up the original rig) there are no fixed batten parrels, but instead, running parrel downhauls - and it may well be that their ability to unreeve a little is what allows the battens to drop down so nicely into the sail catcher.

    The reason this is worth looking at is because (a) there might be someone with a conventional rig who can see the advantage of the McGalliard catcher (and although it may not suit some people, it does provide a way of instantly covering the furled sail and protecting from UV - and it does away with the need for conventional lazyjacks, requiring only a pair of fore lifts and a pair of aft lifts) and (b) because there are SJRs around now with conventional batten parrels whose owners might want to think twice before making a McGalliard sail catcher. (But the SJR does need something more than lazy jacks to muzzle - the jibs in particular take no notice of a lazyjack and slither all over the place - hence the particular advantage of the McGalliard catcher for a SJR rig).

    Well, here is a possible compromise. I don't know how well it works, and this is pure speculation but the photograph below looks to me like a modified McGalliard sail catcher which has had a part removed, possibly in order to accommodate fixed batten parrels. You can see that its function as a UV protector is compromised, and it would not work so well for the jibs of a SJR - but it might work better than lazy jacks - at least on the port side anyway.

     I noticed it on the photos of the boat for sail on the "Askew 38ft 9in steel junk rigged schooner for sale, lying Cebu, Philippines, AUD $69,950" thread.

    PS for anyone who might not quite understand how the McGalliard catcher is set up - the starboard tube of the sail catcher MUST run past the starboard side of the mast. Unintuitive as that may be you can NOT put both sides of the sail catcher down one side of the mast. In the above photo I think the starboard tube has simply been cut at the mast and the fore part left off. It really is a compromise, and may well have been a "plan B". It would be interesting to know.

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