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First look at the real shunting Junk, Balkan Shipyards.

  • 02 Aug 2019 00:28
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    Anonymous wrote:        Thanks for the Utube.... I look forward to seeing this in action.   Like most conventional sailors, I have difficulty getting my head around the idea of shunting.  It was not until I encountered Rob Denny and his HarryProa designs that proas even began to make sense to me as a viable and safe alternative multihull design.  It is unfortunate that he has opted for the expensive and complex Aerorig with it's pivoting mast instead of a junk rig as standard on his boats.

            I'd love to have an opportunity to sail a proa someday.......


                                                   H.W.

    Simplicity and a proa configuration have seldom been shown as achievable.Then when it(a working/shunting sailer) has been experienced, there is a delightful realm opened, that might never lose its appeal, as has been the case for myself.

    In theory, a free-standing mast stepped in the lee hull does the trick for simplicity, and indeed can be fine, along with 'easy and affordable', but only on a very small craft.Here is where carbon composite is the way to go, and pretty much where the harryproa ethos rests.

    Fine and good on a nearly 14 footer, as I found with a lash-up proa made using my canoe tender, along with my boy's little kayak and a scrounged composite pole mast.Steering and CE lead over lateral area was achieved using the blade of a broken oar. Battens and yard would have added a bit more weight and complexity, although it would no doubt have worked in a fashion.

    Another 14footer, but an equal hulled Pahi configuration would be my next choice for a shunter with a free-standing mast.

    Bamboo would then suffice, as well as a wooden steerer board or two.
  • 01 Aug 2019 06:28
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    I think the lack of Junk Rigs in the Proa world is due to the fact that those who build Proas are usually speed freaks, as such they assume that modern high performance rigs are the thing to use.........

     Rob uses the very expensive Ballestron rig, other's use Bermuda Rigs, I feel that neither are for Proas since the Ballerstron is unstayed, putting huge loads onto the vaka and it's self...... Therefor costing an arm and a leg, and winning the heavy weight class of rigs, coming in first, as the heaviest.

      The Bermuda? Expensive, one will need roller furling jibs front and back..... That alone is a huge expense, imagine shunting, rolling up one sail and unrolling the other..... Too much! 

    The Oceanic Lateen is the best rig for a proa, it's truly amazing! But it can't be reefed! The islanders never reefed, they had enough sea room to be able to get away without reefing. Oceanic Lateens belong in the Pacific. 

    I feel after years of rig research that the solution may be a modified JR that shunts easy, and most important reefs easy!

    Here's a vid of me shunting a Junk Rig. Dead easy!!! Shunting is at 9 minutes, before that, in the video I explain the rigging details that make shunting possible......

    All d best.

    https://youtu.be/4qP7Jy8fqiA
  • 31 Jul 2019 17:22
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            Thanks for the Utube.... I look forward to seeing this in action.   Like most conventional sailors, I have difficulty getting my head around the idea of shunting.  It was not until I encountered Rob Denny and his HarryProa designs that proas even began to make sense to me as a viable and safe alternative multihull design.  It is unfortunate that he has opted for the expensive and complex Aerorig with it's pivoting mast instead of a junk rig as standard on his boats.

            I'd love to have an opportunity to sail a proa someday.......


                                                   H.W.
  • 28 Jul 2019 20:14
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    Finally stitched up, almost ready for a sail, a few more "strings" to figure out.......

    The LaSunk is a Lateen rigged Sunting Junk, designed for a pacific proa, the launch is coming up. Hope it all comes together.

    https://youtu.be/JYGYZLvzj-o
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