SJR H28

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  • 03 Oct 2024 12:13
    Reply # 13415007 on 13413286
    Anonymous wrote:

    I so wish you were in New Zealand, Graham.

    $500 the reserve price and nobody wants it.

    Compass Yachts, fibreglass, lead keel version too.



    I would certainly be interested, even if the decks needed substantial attention, which seems to be a weakness with this production boat (poor sealing of the plywood deck core, especially around the anchor well, to judge by the three I have crossed paths with in Sydney, one to my considerable expense).  The lead keel in particular is appealing.  The one I bought was ballasted with boiler punchings that filled the keel right up to the cabin sole, and the boat was a bit tender. On my friend's sistership, you could always tell if he was in/on the port or starboard bunk by the way it listed! I'm sure the ballast ratio was adequate though, and that it would stiffen up at a certain angle of heel.  Barry Lewis sailed his father's Solitaire back to Sydney after David died, and said it was the driest boat, with the most comfortable motion, he'd ever known.  Quite the endorsement from someone of his experience.  The Solitaire has a deeper keel  but is a very similar design.

    But NZ is too cold for me, even the BOI, at least all year round.  I'm currently battling pneumonia for the umpteenth time, but should be good again with the aid of antibiotics in a week or two.
  • 29 Sep 2024 04:54
    Reply # 13413286 on 6316327
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I so wish you were in New Zealand, Graham.

    $500 the reserve price and nobody wants it.

    Compass Yachts, fibreglass, lead keel version too.



    Last modified: 29 Sep 2024 04:55 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 28 Sep 2024 06:19
    Reply # 13413105 on 13412707
    Arne wrote:

    Now I just had a go trying to draw a JR for that H28. Regard it as a draft. The sail area is close to that of the Bermudan rig with the Genoa 1 set.
    It would be very useful to know how the boat’s helm balance is with the original rig, and thus let us correct the position of the CE.

    The position of the new mast must also be determined firmly before the final JR can be drawn.

    Cheers,
    Arne

    PS: It would also be useful to know what sort of sailing you are planning...


    (Full size diagram in Arne's sketches, section 8, diagram 9)

    I think you have nailed it perfectly, Arne.  The mast is in exactly the right place, and I think the balance will be good.  If it was me, I'd cap the sail area at 40 sq m, but only because of personal considerations.  The skipper can always reef, and if you have a good halyard winch, hoisting it will be OK even for an old fella!
  • 27 Sep 2024 12:16
    Reply # 13412707 on 6316327
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Now I just had a go trying to draw a JR for that H28. Regard it as a draft. The sail area is close to that of the Bermudan rig with the Genoa 1 set.
    It would be very useful to know how the boat’s helm balance is with the original rig, and thus let us correct the position of the CE.

    The position of the new mast must also be determined firmly before the final JR can be drawn.

    Cheers,
    Arne

    PS: It would also be useful to know what sort of sailing you are planning...


    (Full size diagram in Arne's sketches, section 8, diagram 9)

    Last modified: 28 Sep 2024 00:13 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 27 Sep 2024 11:33
    Reply # 13412699 on 6316327

    Hi Annie,

    Yes I have looked at Arne's excellent files and actually downloaded most so I can keep going through them as I progress, Very cool plans and very well written for someone new to the subject.

    I would  appreciate any input regarding which rig might suit my vessel, I am looking at a standard rig rather that the split rig as I want to keep things as simple as possible for not only the build but for any running repairs I may find myself having to undertake.

    I am currently looking at a hybrid mast rather than full wood and a standard simple rig a bit like wave rover, simple is best.

    Cheers

    Dave

    Last modified: 27 Sep 2024 11:42 | Anonymous member
  • 27 Sep 2024 06:31
    Reply # 13412666 on 6316327

    Good to have you on board, Dave.  An H28 should convert nicely.  

    Have you been to junkrigassociation.org/Arne and had a look at his Master Plans.  You might well find something to suit.  I see the original thread is SJR - I'd forgotten that - but it sounds as though you want are thinking of a 'standard' junk rig, so one of Arne's plans might be just the trick.

  • 24 Sep 2024 11:07
    Reply # 13410232 on 13410187
    Anonymous wrote:
    Hi Dave.  It looks to me, from most of your drawings and the photo, that you have an NZ-built fibreglass H28, built by Compass Yachts NZ, though one of your drawing confuses the issue, as it is of the Australian-built Compass 28, an entirely different design.  I'll assume that you have the NZ-built boat with a transom-hung rudder.  I bought one in 2022 in Sydney with the intention of converting it to junk rig and was going to put the mast through the foredeck, fitting a Hasler/McLeod style of junk rig with 60° yard angle and about 25% balance.

    Unfortunately, my boat turned out to have some hidden problems, including the 12mm plywood core in the foredeck rotted out, and I aborted the project.  I've since seen two other boats of this class with a similar problem, which seems to stem from the cutout in the foredeck for the anchor locker not being properly sealed.  On all three boats, the inner and outer skins of the deck were not re-glassed after the anchor locker lid was cut out, relying on paint to seal the end-grain, and the paint had broken down.  Also mine, and one of the others, developed rot in the top of the rudder, because the rudder cheeks were too lightly built.  The constant flexing opened up the joint between the top of the rudder and the cheeks, allowing fresh water in.  Of course, it takes years of neglect for the rot to develop to the stage mine was in.  A pity, though, because it is a fine boat otherwise, and will make an excellent JR sloop.

    I look forward to following your project.  I'm in Mooloolaba, so maybe one day we'll cross tacks.  It is so rare to meet up with another junk rig sailor here.  I'm hoping to start another junk rig conversion next year.  I currently have a Cavalier 32.  I am trying to sell it and get a smaller boat that has taken my fancy, but don't seem able to attract buyers (the market is flat), so it might have to be the Cavalier.  Vaguely hoping to cruise back north in 2026.


    You are correct this is a NZ made Compass fiberglass H28, sorry for the confusion I did'nt notice the rudder in the picture.


    Sorry to hear your conversion was scuttled due to rot, never nice when you find something like that.


    I will keep the thread posted with my project, thanks for your input concerning the intended JR rig you were looking at for your H28, give me a starting point for my study.


    Cheers Dave

  • 24 Sep 2024 06:50
    Reply # 13410187 on 13410121
    Dave wrote:

    Hi all,

    I kow this is an old thread but I wanted to continue this on.

    I have an Compass H28 which I will be undertaking a full refit on around May / June next year.

    When undertaking the refit I would like to convert her to a Junk Rig, I see this has been discussed before but never appeared to come to a conclusion so I thought I would introduce myself and revieve the thread.

    I am working my way through the PJR book at the moment but any sugestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

    My vessel Sitka II has been to Cat 1 and sailed off shore, I intend to get her back to this stage, I intend to sail mostly single handed and believe the JR will be the best sail for my intended use of Sitka.

    Please see attached info on the H28 and a drawing of current sail plan, am open to all thoughts and advice.

    Thanks and will keep you posted on my progress and when the refit starts.

    Dave

    Hi Dave.  It looks to me, from most of your drawings and the photo, that you have an NZ-built fibreglass H28, built by Compass Yachts NZ, though one of your drawing confuses the issue, as it is of the Australian-built Compass 28, an entirely different design.  I'll assume that you have the NZ-built boat with a transom-hung rudder.  I bought one in 2022 in Sydney with the intention of converting it to junk rig and was going to put the mast through the foredeck, fitting a Hasler/McLeod style of junk rig with 60° yard angle and about 25% balance.

    Unfortunately, my boat turned out to have some hidden problems, including the 12mm plywood core in the foredeck rotted out, and I aborted the project.  I've since seen two other boats of this class with a similar problem, which seems to stem from the cutout in the foredeck for the anchor locker not being properly sealed.  On all three boats, the inner and outer skins of the deck were not re-glassed after the anchor locker lid was cut out, relying on paint to seal the end-grain, and the paint had broken down.  Also mine, and one of the others, developed rot in the top of the rudder, because the rudder cheeks were too lightly built.  The constant flexing opened up the joint between the top of the rudder and the cheeks, allowing fresh water in.  Of course, it takes years of neglect for the rot to develop to the stage mine was in.  A pity, though, because it is a fine boat otherwise, and will make an excellent JR sloop.

    I look forward to following your project.  I'm in Mooloolaba, so maybe one day we'll cross tacks.  It is so rare to meet up with another junk rig sailor here.  I'm hoping to start another junk rig conversion next year.  I currently have a Cavalier 32.  I am trying to sell it and get a smaller boat that has taken my fancy, but don't seem able to attract buyers (the market is flat), so it might have to be the Cavalier.  Vaguely hoping to cruise back north in 2026.

  • 24 Sep 2024 01:51
    Reply # 13410121 on 6316327

    Hi all,

    I know this is an old thread but I wanted to continue this on.

    I have an Compass H28 which I will be undertaking a full refit on around May / June next year.

    When undertaking the refit I would like to convert her to a Junk Rig, I see this has been discussed before but never appeared to come to a conclusion so I thought I would introduce myself and revieve the thread.

    I am working my way through the PJR book at the moment but any sugestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

    My vessel Sitka II has been to Cat 1 and sailed off shore, I intend to get her back to this stage, I intend to sail mostly single handed and believe the JR will be the best sail for my intended use of Sitka.

    Please see attached info on the H28 and a drawing of current sail plan, am open to all thoughts and advice.

    Thanks and will keep you posted on my progress and when the refit starts.

    Dave

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    Last modified: 24 Sep 2024 11:18 | Anonymous member
  • 05 Jul 2018 02:12
    Reply # 6360820 on 6316327
    Deleted user

    Phew, that could make things easier then!

    I drew attention to the fact that the mast section would need to be circular so I assume that it is. I will go and look at it the moment my bermudan rig sells.


    Thanks again guys!

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