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  • 31 Jan 2018 01:22
    Reply # 5710049 on 5708068
    Deleted user

    Thanks everyone. A lot of food for thought.

    Frank

  • 30 Jan 2018 13:03
    Reply # 5708841 on 5708068

    I suggest that when you use the jib in this way, it's as much to ensure that she pays off on the tack that you want, as to gather stern way. All boats will gather some stern way, given time, and all junk rigged boats will have quite a strong tendency to pay off quickly, as the windage is well forward (make sure that the sheet is very slack, so that the sail doesn't drive before you want it to). It's just that if you need her to pay off on the "right" tack, you'd better hold the sail out on the other side temporarily ( if the sail is small enough that you have the physical strength to do it). Alternatively, as most boats will range to and fro on their mooring, even if just a little, you can just pick the moment to let go so that she will pay off in the direction you want. In general, though, the absence of jib for manoeuvring is not really much of an issue, and it's much easier to use the junk sail's sheet as a "throttle" than with those of bermudan/marconi rigs.

  • 30 Jan 2018 08:49
    Reply # 5708653 on 5708068
    Deleted user

    I would use the motor! If I didn't have a motor I would keep well away from other boats. I love to sail, but God invented motors for a reason. If I still had my little Newick Val trimaran I would probably give a different answer.

    Last modified: 30 Jan 2018 08:52 | Deleted user
  • 30 Jan 2018 04:14
    Reply # 5708486 on 5708068

    Hoist the sail to a height appropriate to the wind strength. Push the sail (main on a Sloop or aft sail on a split rig) To weather on the opposite side to which you want the stern to go. The stern will pay off in the opposite direction to which the boom is pushed If the stern goes too far push the sail the opposite way. In this way you can steer the boat backwards as far as you want into clear water without use of the rudder. Once clear, push the sail hard in the opposite direction from the direction you want the stern to go, to position yourself in the direction you wish to go forward. Once you have reached the correct angle let go the boom and haul in the sheet until the sail draws and sail away. On split rigs let the front sail feather as you go backwards and sheet in once you are headed in the direction you want to go, usually before you sheet in the aft sail. All very simple and no stress as the sails will never take control unless the sheets get jammed and will not pay out!

    Last modified: 30 Jan 2018 04:18 | Anonymous member
  • 30 Jan 2018 00:01
    Reply # 5708138 on 5708068

    With a junk schooner you can back the foresail, as well as putting the tiller up, so that as you make a stern-board, the bows fall off.  You can do the same thing with a junk sloop, since the CE of the sail is a lot further forward than the CE of a bermudian mainsail.  ie: you don't really need the jib.  I sail off my anchor often.  You don't need to put the full sail up initially, if there is enough breeze, just a few panels, which makes it easier to back the sail.  You can push it out by hand, or rig a temporary outhaul on the boom, led forward.  Takes a bit of nerve if the boats are really close though.  A sudden windshift, as happened to me last year, can cause a lot of scrambling around!  I'm no purist though, do it just for fun, and if I think the risks are too great I start the engine.  But there are those, like Alan Martienssen on the schooner-rigged Zebedde, who don't have engines and are masters of this sort of thing.

  • 29 Jan 2018 23:50
    Reply # 5708129 on 5708068
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Frank,

    my first boats (Bermuda sloops) lived on a mooring, and since none of them were more than two tons, I just hoisted the mainsail and then, instead of just casting off the mooring line, I ‘walked it back’ along one side, with the boat turning to the opposite direction (and gaining a bit momentum as well). Then I let the line go and rushed back to the tiller to sail us free from the other boats. Out in free water, the jib was hoisted.

    With a sloop JR I guess I would use the same method, except for not needing to hoist any jib.

    Arne


  • 29 Jan 2018 22:52
    Message # 5708068
    Deleted user

    I've done a search but came up with very little on this. I'm new (never built one yet) so this may be old hat. If so, some pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated.

    Anyhow, as a scenario, you are moored between two boats with other boats behind you and the wind on your nose. You're a traditionalist and don't (or can't) use your motor. When you slip the mooring, you are going to get pushed back and by pushing the main out, you can increase your reverse movement. You angle the tiller to allow you to fall off and get in the lane between where you were and the boats behind you. On a Marconi, you would back wind the jib to move the bow around quickly and then let the windward sheet fly and haul in on the leeward sheet to get under way.

    How does this get done with a junk rig and no jib?


    Thanks,

    Frank

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