Apatiki mast failure.

  • 21 Feb 2018 19:39
    Reply # 5833759 on 5699252
    Deleted user

    Hi folks

    I am Hannes, the new owner of Apatiki! I am quite busy at the moment with the refit and my kids but I will try to answer your questions and post some fotos. 

    I decided to refit the boat with new hollow sitka spruce masts and new designed sails from Tuchwerkstatt. We will be ready in one month to install the new masts. They are close to Bertrands design. He helpt me a lot during the design proces.

    When the mast felt on deck, we only had one pannel (5sqm) up. The problem was a missing sleeve, fatigue, and rough conditions during the whole crossing. 

    If you are interested in our journey, you can find us on instagram. Search for batbo.at or sail to the roots.




  • 25 Jan 2018 15:14
    Reply # 5701659 on 5699252
    Deleted user

    Not repaired as of yet and will most likely be wood. 

  • 25 Jan 2018 13:37
    Reply # 5701484 on 5699252
    Deleted user

    I just heard from the poster of the video.  His friends boat.  It is a live aboard with the family.  I will ask if the mast has been repaired.  

  • 25 Jan 2018 02:18
    Reply # 5700892 on 5699252
    Deleted user

    I also tried to look at the mast break and thought it was quite unusual.  It looked like there was an internal sleeve/stiffener that ended right at the break; thus maybe the unusual the appearance.  And the outer material looked more like a composite than aluminum, although watching the crew move the upper section around on deck it looked heavy.  

  • 24 Jan 2018 17:07
    Reply # 5700148 on 5699252
    Deleted user

    Thanks Arne and Anne,  great info.  In a way then it may be impressive that the mast lasted this long.  I assume a proper retrofit is possible? 

    Last modified: 24 Jan 2018 18:45 | Deleted user
  • 24 Jan 2018 15:59
    Reply # 5699932 on 5699252
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Finding the right scantlings for unstayed mast(s) in a multihull is difficult. If the masts of Apatiki are 164mm aluminium, their yield strength is probably less than 2500kpm, which is just a fraction of the cat's righting moment.

    I notice on the (great!) video that the mast seems to have broken off quite cleanly, which may indicate material fatigue. My un-educated armchair hunch is that the jerky motion of a cat will “work” more on the mast, to give it a shorter life, if  it is made of aluminium.

    In comparison, the diameter of the hollow wooden masts of Bertrand Fercot’s Tiki 46 is 30cm, so should have a bending strength of at least 10.000kpm. Even these masts can probably be sailed overboard before lifting a hull, so I bet Bertrand has settled on a sensible practice to stay out of trouble. Has he written about that anywhere?

    Arne


  • 24 Jan 2018 13:35
    Reply # 5699690 on 5699252
    Deleted user

    What I was wondering if it was design flaw or operator error as in too much sail for conditions.   So it appears to be design error or manufacturing error. 

    https://youtu.be/i-JKepq4qHY

  • 24 Jan 2018 07:31
    Reply # 5699517 on 5699252

    I'm no expert on sizing masts, but 164mm for a 50 sq m sail seems a bit light on: I'm using 152 for a 35 sq m sail and the stresses on my mast are probably less than they would be on a big cat.  As you say: a good looking boat.  I hope they can sort it out.

    Won't you include a link to the You Tube video you were watching, please.  I ended up with a private video (eek!) and then pop music, after which I gave up.

    Last modified: 24 Jan 2018 07:31 | Anonymous member
  • 24 Jan 2018 02:28
    Message # 5699252
    Deleted user

    Hi folks,  I was wondering if anyone knows what happened to Apatiki.  I found a YouTube video with what appears to be the new owners.   During their voyage the starboard mast snapped near the base.  Just love that boat.  I read in another post that there were design issues with the masts. 

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