Garhauer blocks, and 50sqm halyard layout

  • 15 Oct 2017 21:42
    Reply # 5315787 on 5314234
    POL BERGIUS wrote:I thought I'd economise and consider the 30 Series  Garhauer which have the same 63mm/21/2" sheave, but they have Delrin and not the Torlon that the 40 Series blocks have.
    I believe that all Garhauer blocks carry a 10 year guarantee, and I know from talking to the distributor here, that they stand by it.
  • 15 Oct 2017 11:56
    Reply # 5314678 on 5313611
    Arne,

    I like the idea of keeping it simple, so I am quite relieved to hear that on Johanna's sail you managed fine with the simple ML. So we'll start off with that and then as you suggest we can change things if needed. I'll use webbing in the lower part of it to ease that pressure point. Padding the battens is on the winter job list!

    Thank you again,

    Pol.

  • 15 Oct 2017 10:36
    Reply # 5314614 on 5313611
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Pol,

    there is the simple mastlift (ML), and there are more complex ones. Those who regularly shifts the sail forward and aft to improve balance (..or compensate for an inefficient rudder...), seem to have a ML system that looks more like a fore lazyjack.

    I suggest you start with the simple mast lift. During test sails you will find how much balance you need at boom level to get the steering balance right. If you need small balance to avoid lee helm, my guess is that you can stick with the standard mast lift, or with the one in PJR, Fig 3.50 (plus a batten parrel) to reduce the squeezing effect.

    If you need quite a lot of balance to reduce weather helm, it may be better to make a fore lazyjack, to take care of the furled bundle before the mast.

    Even on Johanna’s 48sqm sail, I only used the standard ML. It surely did squeeze the furled sail, but during the eleven years I sailed Johanna, I didn’t spot any holes in the sail. I still recommend padding the battens at the mast to reduce the point load between battens and mast.

    Arne


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  • 14 Oct 2017 23:10
    Reply # 5314234 on 5313611
    Arne,

    Yes the gaff halyard can be tricky to get right. The dummy yard in your method looks safe! Your fiddle and single is a good solution for the masthead.

    My thought on the mast lift "cradling" the bundle rather than hugging it to the mast too tight (PJR's idea actually)  was to try to reduce chafe. I saw your webbing on the lower part of yours a while ago. Nevertheless I feel that my heavy bundle may haul itself a bit too tight to the mast with that standing system. What do you think? With the "whip" system I propose, I'll need some kind of parrel on the boom, as the whip won't have that snugging-to-the-mast effect of the more usual mast lift system. It'll also mean more rope aloft... 

    Your Selden s/s blocks look good. I looked them up as BBB40. Just for info I checked the Garhauer prices in USA, Denmark and France. USA prices are a bit over 50% of their European suppliers. If buying a few blocks, the shipping will be less significant per block, although there will be import tax to find out about. I thought I'd economise and consider the 30 Series  Garhauer which have the same 63mm/21/2" sheave, but they have Delrin and not the Torlon that the 40 Series blocks have. The Selden blocks are available here which is altogether a touch easier!

    Thanks again meantime.

    Pol.

  • 14 Oct 2017 23:09
    Reply # 5314233 on 5313611

    Garhauer blocks: USAnian companies are often very reluctant to send stuff overseas.  NZ Post is aware of this and has set up a system whereby you get a customer number from them and if you buy something in USA you give your mailing address as, eg, Fred Bloggs 123456abc as the first line, followed by their warehouse address (in Oregon, for some odd reason).  They then work out the postage cost, which you pay with your credit card, and send it on to you.  It works very well and I shouldn't be at all surprised if the Royal Mail (or whatever they call themselves now) has a similar setup, should you have any problems getting these blocks.  One thing against Garhauer blocks is that they can give you a very nasty black eye, as I know from first-hand experience.

    David Tyler suggests - and I've found that it's a good idea - that you use single blocks at the masthead, which allows them to 'give' a little more than a fixed double or triple.  Also easier to carry spares for.

    Don't forget to use fixed blocks and not swivels which will lead to tears.  And I was interested to hear that Asmat's 'cheap' roller bearing blocks are holding up in the sheets.  Things must have improved: we only used to get about 10,000 miles out of cheap roller blocks in the 80s and early 90s.  But they are worth their weight in gold when overhauling the sheet.

    Don't worry about things taking so long, Pol - look how long I'm taking!  So exciting that you lovely little ship is almost there.  I hope you are going to write it all up for the magazine for us.  I'm dying to see the photos, too.

  • 14 Oct 2017 22:57
    Reply # 5314230 on 5313809
    POL BERGIUS wrote:

    Did you use the Series 40 blocks in the end? 21/2" sheaves? I guess that would more than do our 550 square feet. Or maybe the series 30 would be enough. Same 21/2" sheave and same huge SWL of well over 1000lb! 

    I used the series 40 ones. I preferred their 5/16" shackles to the series 30's 1/4" ones. By the way, ask Garhauer to supply a couple of spare shackles. I dropped a pin overboard and found it difficult to obtain a replacement the right size. Imperial sized shackles are no longer sold over here.
  • 14 Oct 2017 17:41
    Reply # 5313894 on 5313611
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Pol,

    in my earlier days, when I was playing with gaff rigs, I learned that I had to struggle with getting the multipart throat halyard right. Later, when switching to JR, I found that it was easier to get the halyard right if the double block was of the fiddle type. Anyway, the use of the short dummy yard will ensure you that the ropes are running correctly with the sail fully hoisted.

    Mast lift:
    As the photo below shows, I use a piece of webbing at the low end of the mast lift. It could well be made longer.  Note the taut tack line with a rubber snubber on it. I let it point about almost 45° aft, partly to prevent the boom from ever sliding aft, and partly as a weak kicking strap to ensure that the fan-up preventer doesn’t lift the boom (clew).

    Halyard blocks:
    The blocks I use on Ingeborg’s (8mm) halyard are 60mm Seldén ball bearing blocks. The single blocks are of the heavy duty type with balls and ball race of ss. steel. The total weight of  (35sqm) sail, yard and all is less than 50kg.

    Arne

     

     


  • 14 Oct 2017 16:35
    Reply # 5313809 on 5313611

    Thank you Arne and Asmat,

    Fast reactions! 

    Arne I recall reading your explanation of how you rove the halyard some time ago, but it had completely slipped my slippery mind. I have already made my masthead fitting but happily it is not galvanised yet so it would be possible to add another lug for the single block. The fiddle block you use presumably makes the whole thing slimmer and makes for less potential chafe on the mast than would a double block?

    BTW I read in PJR that a big sail might do better with a mast lift that cradles the sail bundle rather than one whose lower end is round the mast. With that idea I put my mast lift integrated into my 30deg offset halyard crane. I plan a single whip for the lift. Maybe I could insert a length of webbing in the lower reaches of the lift to ease the chafe.

    Asmat it is good to hear that you're pleased with your decision to get the Garhauer blocks where they really matter, and slightly cheaper Barton balls on the less critical bits. I was just a wee bit concerned about friction in the sheets when hoisting so may look into the costs... Your post about the different prices from USA/France/Denmark was extremely helpful. Did you use the Series 40 blocks in the end? 21/2" sheaves? I guess that would more than do our 550 square feet. Or maybe the series 30 would be enough. Same 21/2" sheave and same huge SWL of well over 1000lb! Yes, pity about the exchange rate, but I feel that they'd be worth it. We're changing from the gaff to make life easier after all!

    Thanks again,

    Pol.

  • 14 Oct 2017 14:32
    Reply # 5313730 on 5313611

    Hi Pol, I recommend Garhauer blocks for the halyard. Mine came direct from the US, fortunately just before the Brexit vote trashed the value of sterling. My sheet blocks are cheap Barton ones with delrin balls. After 5,000 or so miles, I am happy to keep using them. The sheets don't impose a static load: they are frequently adjusted and in constant motion, working to and fro a little while under way.

    Not sure about your idea of multiple halyard attachments on the yard, (like the peak halyard on a gaff, no?). It might work if there is ample drift between the masthead and the yard sling point. Otherwise, the two blocks are pulling towards each other as well as upwards, wasting energy.

  • 14 Oct 2017 14:29
    Reply # 5313729 on 5313611
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I have used the shown setup on both Johanna, and now on Ingeborg's sail. There is no twist or chafe problems.

    Obviously, it is best to rig the halyard on the mast before stepping it. What I did was to tie the two yard slingpoint blocks onto a  50cm long 'dummy yard' . With this one positioned near the top of the mast, as if hoisted, I could reeve the halyard and make sure I had not screwed up. Then I could walk the dummy yard down to deck level with the rope now running through all the pulleys.

    When the mast had been stepped and secured, the real yard could come on board, and the two bocks could be parallel-moved over from the dummy yard. This method saved me from any trouble.

    Arne


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