Quick opinions, please: converting a Galion 22

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  • 04 Aug 2017 10:48
    Reply # 5011872 on 5011841
    David Tyler wrote:

    If that high AR rig were to be dropped into the Galion 22, it would go right through the centre of the forehatch.

    Ouch,

    the curved, 45-degree hatch is not a nice place for this :/

    I was hoping to be able to put the mast through the straight foredeck, even if it means a lower AR. Anyway, I would like to be able to find out the CE of the bermudan rig with the 160-180% genoa, but I don't know how to do this.

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  • 04 Aug 2017 10:31
    Reply # 5011841 on 4974626

    Well done, Jami!

    Rig placement: my Weaverbird's rig has the mast at 18% of the waterline aft, and this is, if anything, a little too far forward. 20% might be better. If that high AR rig were to be dropped into the Galion 22, it would go right through the centre of the forehatch.

  • 04 Aug 2017 08:56
    Reply # 5011732 on 5011694
    Thanks Arne,

    one nice thing considering the mast placement is the placement of the forehatch: it will stay usable and be loctaed behind the mast, for safe mast operations at sea (if needed, hopefully not). The foredeck has strengthening stringers at the sides, leaving the center lots of straight platform for strengthening.

    A photo of the foredeck here.

    The boat itself seems not only very seaworthy, but also very fast. I sailed with my 12-year old daughter from Västerås, Sverige to Rauma, Finland in five days - with only one sailing night. And the route includes motoring a long way through Stockholm.

    One possible difficulty in the conversion (at this point) might be finding the CE of the bermudan rig. So far it seems that the balance is at its best with the no 1 genoa - which is very big, 180%.

    There is no inboard left, which at the plus side gives a big storage space. Some kind of an easy, cheap and self-made wind pilot is a must, and the outboard makes it indeed more difficult.

    I write for profession (I'm a journalist), so writing for leisure feels too often as working... but on the other hand I feel I have an obligation to do an article, because I have (already) had so much valuable help from the community. However, I wasn't wise enough to take many photos of the work on the sail and the boat, so the article would be mostly text :/

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  • 04 Aug 2017 08:24
    Reply # 5011694 on 4974626
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Congratulations Jami!

    I just downloaded the design from Sailboatdata.com. It should be easy to find a place for the mast, which may sometimes be tricky. The boat looks to have a really good rudder and plenty of ballast. Is there an inboard engine as well? That would make fitting any windvane-self-steering simpler, but anyway, it should be possible even with an outboard engine on the stern.

    Good luck with another winter project.

    Arne

    PS: I hope you will sum up your experience with converting your first boat in a write-up, which can be printed in the JRA magazine.


  • 04 Aug 2017 06:11
    Reply # 5011630 on 4974626
    I now have a new boat for a JR conversion next autumn-spring period, and after that hopefully a boat to fulfill my needs for a long time.

    I bought the Galion 22 and sailed it some 250 nautical miles home, including lake and sea passages plus many kinds of wnd conditions with some rough weather, an eye of a thunder plus the most beautiful sailing night I could ever imagine.

    The boat is even more to my taste than I thought it would be. I really love the hull form and the space of the cabin for the size of the boat. The rudder feels very powerful, too, and the foredeck is like it's made for a JR conversion. With a 50% ballast ratio and an offshore-spirited hull, the Galion was a very good companion in hard wind and (in terms of my sailing waters) big waves.

    The long sail also made it clear that I have lost my heart to the JR. Galion has a sailplan that relies on the big genoa. It works beautifully in headwinds, but collapses very soon when turning to reach - which means a need for a headsail boom (not good for a singlehander). In changing conditions the sailplan also means lots of fiddling with the change of foresails.

    So a JR it will be, and maybe the first one on a Galion 22? I will sail the BR for the rest of the season to get more experience e.g. on the balance, and will start planning in the autumn. 

  • 17 Jul 2017 14:19
    Reply # 4980443 on 4974626

    The very, very beautiful lines of the Galion's hull (the deck not so much) along with the roomy accommodation (practically a standing headroom) might close the deal.


    However, I'm still a bit worried about the possible problems with the JR conversion, when I look at the construction at the bow area.  

  • 17 Jul 2017 10:57
    Reply # 4980108 on 4974626

    By way of comparison: Weaverbird, a Hunter Duette 23 has a quoted displacement of 1100 kg, ballast ratio of 55%.

    I've just come back to Ravenglass in one passage from Northern Ireland, past the Mull of Kintyre and Point of Ayre in F6. It's the seas caused by strong currents around headlands combined with strong winds like these that do the most damage, I find, not oceanic seas (I broke a hinge in the top sheeted batten). But I was not at all concerned about the integrity of the hull. These Sonata/Duette hulls were lightly, but strongly, built, with alternate layers of woven roving and chopped strand mat, and although the hull is noisy in big seas, there's no lack of rigidity, due to the top hat stringers.  

    I've downsized from an 8 tonne boat to a 1 tonne boat, so the big adjustment I've had to make is the much quicker motion in a seaway. I guess that, moving in the opposite direction, you'll find a 22ft boat to be steady and comfortable.

  • 17 Jul 2017 07:49
    Reply # 4979727 on 4974626

    Wise words, thank you.

    I just realized that Roger Taylor for one has done his remarkable journeys on very light boats - Corribee at 21ft/907kg/44% ballast ratio and Achilles 24 at 24ft/1180kg/50%.

    As I recall, one of the main reasons was the feasible amount of buoyancy to make the boats unsinkable. On the other hand he made many modifications to make the hulls stronger.

    I'm not after speed as such. Handling evil (which doesn't always mean big - we have typically nasty cross-waves here) waves and foul weather along with easily maintained hull are more important to me. 

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  • 16 Jul 2017 23:15
    Reply # 4979430 on 4974626

    My feeling is that you have to go with what you feel comfortable with.  If you are someone who becomes crazy with frustration when boats the same size as you sail past, or when the boat speed drops to 2 knots, or when other people are boasting of their fast passages, then you need something with good performance.  On the other hand, if you think you will lie in your berth worrying about a light hull's integrity on a cold and stormy night, then you'd be better with something more solid.  The decision is often an emotional one more than a rational one.  I know I found my 34ft relatively light, plywood boat much more reassuring in heavy weather than the 35ft steel boat I sailed on later, which most people would find profoundly illogical.

    In this life, you hardly ever know if you made the better of two decisions, so don't agonise too long!

  • 16 Jul 2017 16:24
    Reply # 4979050 on 4974626

    Apparently the Hydra 20 weighs 400kg without the keel - which is about the same that my Joe 17 (500kg - 100kg keel). That makes me a bit worried about the construction.

    The Atlantic (or the North Sea!) might forever be a dream (hopefully not), but we do have some rough weather in the Bothnian Sea too. The Hydra would probably still never be too flimsy for these waters, though. 

    The Galion seems to have a reputation as a speedy boat for its size, too. 

    Ahh, the frustration!

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