JR conversion for Marcon Sabre 27

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  • 22 Feb 2017 00:02
    Reply # 4622185 on 4619716
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    More sail area, please...

    The waterline length, displacement and ballast weight are close to identical to those on Johanna. Johanna carries a 10.6m wooden mast, closer to the bow than David have drawn for the Ingeborg-rig. Today, with lighter aluminium masts, that Sabre 27 will be ok, even with a mast as tall as the BR mast.

    Now I traced the Ingeborg- rig which David gave her. To my eyes, that rig will definitely be on the small side, giving a SA/disp= 14.2. See diagram to the left. I therefore grabbed a master sail with AR=2.10 and scaled it to the same batten length, 4.5m (diagram to the right). This resulted in a sail area of 33.6sqm, or a SA/disp=16.1, which looks better. This rig still gets away with a slightly shorter mast than the BR.

    The battens of  both JRs are, as said, 4.5m, which gives a chord/wl=66%, so that Sabre should handle well downwind (on Johanna B=5.8m which is 83% of the wl.)

    The question is where the owner prefers the mast to sit.

    Cheers, Arne


    Last modified: 22 Feb 2017 10:21 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 21 Feb 2017 21:30
    Reply # 4621986 on 4619716

    Yes, the mast for the Ingeborg pattern of sail is shorter, but uncomfortably far forward, I feel. The difference in length of battens is 4000mm vs 4500mm, and Richard particularly needs a rig that is easy to handle. Weighing up the pros and cons of each, I go for the taller mast, every time.

    Sabre 27 with Ingeborg sail at 30 sq m.


  • 21 Feb 2017 20:13
    Reply # 4621866 on 4619716
    Nice boats.  I'm pretty sure that Sunbird converted one to junk rig a zillion years ago.  The Weaverbird rig produces a mast at least as tall as the bermudan one: would the Ingerborg variation have a shorter spar?
  • 20 Feb 2017 20:33
    Message # 4619716

    Welcome to Richard, who has just joined us here. Richard has been talking to me about the possibility of converting his Sabre 27. I remember this class from when I lived in Warsash, as they were built in Southampton between 1969 and 1979. It's a fairly moderate, non-extreme design, and would be fine with a junk rig.

    Initially, we were thinking that the best place to put the mast was through the inclined forward face of the coachroof. That position is well forward, and not ideal. I found it impossible to put one of my planforms onto a mast in this position, but Arne's Ingeborg sail with AR = 1.9 and scaled down to 30 sq m was a good fit.

    A better fit to Richard's needs would be to adopt the Weaverbird planform, also scaled to 30 sq m, to keep the yard and battens to the minimum length and weight, for maximum ease of use and lack of stress. This would need the mast to be put through the forehatch aperture, as is commonly the case. If this is acceptable, I think this planform is the one to adopt. The mast could be one of the Aluminium Lighting Company's tapered poles at 177mm diameter, and I hope this wouldn't impede access to the forecabin too badly in this position.


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