Junk rig for Joe 17 trailer sailer

  • 15 Mar 2017 08:28
    Reply # 4667901 on 4556642

    I don't like this. Some time ago, we discussed the ideal section for a yard, and I said then that if the section is very deep and narrow, it will just try to rotate about its axis to seek the easiest way to bend. Also, if you put two tubes together, the material near where the tubes touch is doing nothing to add strength and stiffness, but is just adding weight. I stick to my view that the best section for both yard and battens is circular.

  • 15 Mar 2017 07:19
    Reply # 4667427 on 4556642

    That's what I was afraid of... 

    What about doubling the 35x1.5? Twto tubes put together with epoxy and a few bolts (I think Arne did this in one of his smaller boats)?

  • 14 Mar 2017 18:04
    Reply # 4666358 on 4556642

    The sizes of your mast and battens are about right, but I think you'll need a stronger and stiffer yard. If the length is about 3 metres, the diameter will need to be at least 60 mm, but the use of a span, attached to the 1/3 and 2/3 of length points, reduces the demands on the tube.

  • 14 Mar 2017 11:02
    Reply # 4665645 on 4556642

    Update: The mast and batten aluminium tubes are ready to be picked up from the supplier.

    The mast will be 100x4 mm (plus wooden top), battens 25x1.5 mm and the yard & batten 3 will be 35x1.5 mm. Let's hope I got the measures right, when trying to decide  a good copmromise between strength and weight.

  • 09 Mar 2017 18:29
    Reply # 4657275 on 4556642

    Sorry to hear that. The cloth seems good and was quite cheap. 

    Two panels done!

  • 09 Mar 2017 17:18
    Reply # 4657062 on 4556642

    I'm glad that you were successful in getting that cloth, Jami. I asked about it for David Hall's sail, but it seems that you had the last of it.

  • 09 Mar 2017 14:39
    Reply # 4656753 on 4556642

    Oops! My sail turned out to be an experimental one.

    I'm building my own (well, I at least I haven't seen one done this way) hybrid. The sail shape is dowscaled version of Arne's Johanna type sail, AR 2.15.

    However, I'm not sewing batten panels, but using a kind of hinge system - but unlike Roger Taylor, I have cut the panels using Arne's camber system (Roger Taylor used straight panels and made the camber using hinges of different lenths). In my sail the hinges are different in many ways.

    More on this later, if the sail turns out to look like a working one...

    One panel done, six to go!

    The cloth, 92g/m2 ripstop polyester recommended by David Tyler, is very easy to work with and seems like a good compromise between strentgth and lightness.

    Last modified: 09 Mar 2017 14:39 | Anonymous member
  • 04 Mar 2017 09:36
    Reply # 4647287 on 4556642

    Yes, epoxy is best, though you could use polyurethane wood glue. But since it's a good thing to sheath the topmast with glass and epoxy, it's best to glue it with that as well.

  • 04 Mar 2017 09:33
    Reply # 4647284 on 4556642

    The work on the mast should also start soon. A question regarding hybrid mast: if the top is to be made by glueing two 2x4" planks, what does one glue them with? Epoxy or something else?

  • 21 Feb 2017 15:11
    Reply # 4621175 on 4556642

    Phew! I just finished drawing and cutting the 1:1 panel models from a thick paper. 

    At the last moment I changed the plan from Arne's Johanna-type sail AR 2.10 to AR 2.15. I did this to get a bit shorter boom length (2980mm) in order to safely be able to use 6000mm aluminium tubes for battens. The sai area will be about 15,3 m2 compared to the 13,1 m2 of the bermudan rig.

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