SibLim update

  • 28 Apr 2020 18:03
    Reply # 8933540 on 8932575
    Annie wrote:I have finally and heroically,  updated my blog: www.anniehill.blogspot.com.

    Thanks!  That's a long blog and must have been a pain with inferior equipment.  Some of us really appreciate your blog, even at the best of times.  Right now, when all the boating is done vicariously, it's even more appreciated.

    Reading your blog, I alternate between wanting to build a boat, and being determined never to build a boat!  My head says no, but my heart says yes.  In the meantime, I'm storing up your methods and experience - I'd never met that way of attaching a rudder... I assume chafe isn't a problem?

  • 28 Apr 2020 10:06
    Reply # 8932575 on 4315719

    Oh Lord,  Len.  Powered USB hub - I'm now well out of my depth. I'll look it up when I have a bit of time.  And the mental energy.

    Anyway, I have finally and heroically,  updated my blog: www.anniehill.blogspot.com.  (Will someone please explain to me why you can't move forward or backwards on phone/tablets, but can only delete backwards.  It's infuriating.  I'm sure they could squeeze in a shifted key next to a.)  In spite of my best efforts some of my photos have ended up in the ether.  Or possibly the Cloud.   Anyway,  I can't find them, but I don't think it really matters :-D. There are plenty more where they came from!

  • 15 Apr 2020 17:20
    Reply # 8901594 on 8900928
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hi Len.  Thanks for that.  I've been told that my little tablet cannot run my external hard drive from one of those USB adapters, unfortunately.   I will get a keyboard once the gates are unlocked.  I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that I'd rather pay  $45 for something that lasts a few years rather than keep sending $3 jobs to landfill!


    Pretty hard to argue that one, as I type on a keyboard from the early 80s with real switches that was "cheap" at the time for $60 and now requires an adaptor from the 3/4inch Din plug to the 3/8 size ps/2 connector that no one uses any more...


    As for the USB drive, I expect if you were to use a powered hub between the two, it would work with your tablet. The tablet certainly would not be able to supply your USB drive with the power it needs. As for the hub, you would be looking for a USB2 hub as I don't think any of the USB to Go adapters are able to do USB3.

  • 15 Apr 2020 11:33
    Reply # 8900928 on 4315719

    Hi Len.  Thanks for that.  I've been told that my little tablet cannot run my external hard drive from one of those USB adapters, unfortunately.   I will get a keyboard once the gates are unlocked.  I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that I'd rather pay  $45 for something that lasts a few years rather than keep sending $3 jobs to landfill!

  • 05 Apr 2020 16:45
    Reply # 8879896 on 8879352
    Anonymous wrote:

    What I don't like is the way you can only go backwards through text by using the delete button and how difficult it is to highlight stuff.  I'm a touch typist who generally uses short cut keys, so these things are a tad irritating.

    On my phones (and tablet) one of the first installs I do from the "playstore" is "Hacker's Keyboard" which has _all_ the keys including arrow keys keys that allow easier movement through text. Most blue tooth keyboards (even small ones) seem to have arrows too. I need to be able to remote access a server that requires an ALT key (and others) that the google keyboard does not have (like pipe | ).

    Thus far, the major drawbacks of a tablet (assuming I had a keyboard) are that there is no USB socket for my hard rive (or Thunderbird-on-a-stick; I cannot work with multi screen projects and I have constantly to take my hands away from the keyboard (and polish the screen!).

    Most phones and tablets these days come with a USB to go adapter that plugs into the charge port and allows plugging in USB things (keyboards, rodents, external hard drives etc.) I would suggest a hub with it's own power supply in that case though. If you don't have one: USB to go

    As for not being able to work on multi-screen projects, I can only feel your pain. My desktop has only 21 windows open right now... I often use more. A standard project for me is at least 5 windows spread over two displays and I have 3 projects going plus my "internet screen" (browser, email, irc, sudoku). I am not your average user.

    BTW there is nothing wrong with the low end of the price range, my "Hip Street" tablet from Walmart was $130... the bluetooth keyboard was $45 but I could not find anything cheaper. (I have bought a number of USB keyboards from the "Dollar store" at $3 till they ran out...)


  • 05 Apr 2020 01:49
    Reply # 8879352 on 4315719

    Well,  one thing I find with this tablet - and I get the same with my Samsung Phone, is that it is very difficult to persuade the cursor to let me start typing on the white area, if I use the Quote facility.  I reckon I can live wih this.

    David: your experience seems to back up what I have concluded.  A lot of the thinking that I am putting in to my present situation is influenced by the thought that soon I shall be living afloat once more (at least I certainly hope so!), so anything I have now will be used aboard.  I like the concept of solid state - I have found it is much more economical on power than a conventional hard drive.  I also like how little space a tablet requires and how comparatively robust they are.  Charging is straightforward, but then I have a dedicated (and adjustable) 12 volt computer charger anyway.  What I don't like is the way you can only go backwards through text by using the delete button and how difficult it is to highlight stuff.  I'm a touch typist who generally uses short cut keys, so these things are a tad irritating.

    Graeme: I don't really miss the computer at all.  It was a tool to do certain jobs, not something for pleasure.  I am busy building my boat and the bit of spare time I have is largely given to reading.  The main reason I am annoyed with breaking it is that it means I can't help Lynda with the magazine.  I  have small hands and would have no problem with a small keyboard.  I wouldn't use Windows 10 or Apple and the little I'm have seen of an i-Pad leads me to believe that it's even more limited than a good quality Android, because you are not only locked into Apple software, but their hardware,  too. However, one of the problems with using Android, is that things like Adobe Digital Editions isn't available for it.

    Toni: I have already thought of a Bluetooth keyboard. (To my astonishment,  I managed to Bluetooth files from phone to tablet.  Honestly, sometimes I feel fit to take part in the 20th century,  even if I'm not so sure about the 21st!).  I wonder if the alt and ctrl keys would work with a tablet as they do on a computer.   One of the essential things for proofreading is to be able to go from pdf screen to corrections screen.  Normally I do this by pressing alt tab.  I can't conceive of doing it by a s-l-o-w press of the middle button, then tapping the screen, making it  full size, typing the correction and then reversing the procedure.  And I miss the little touch pad: I dislike moving my fingers away from the keys, let alone smearing them all over the screen.

    Thus far, the major drawbacks of a tablet (assuming I had a keyboard) are that there is no USB socket for my hard rive (or Thunderbird-on-a-stick; I cannot work with multi screen projects and I have constantly to take my hands away from the keyboard (and polish the screen!).  It's more difficult to ensure that spacing between characters is correct and a nightmare to change one lower case letter to upper case, moving that horrid little blue dot about.  However, I assume that a keyboard would at least allow the arrow keys to work, even if Home and so on don't.  On the other hand, i was struggling with how I was going to use a laptop on Fanshi. The table is too high and my back wouldn't take 20 minutes of work before protesting.  However i could easily make a nice (tigerwood!) stand for a tablet, sit back and use the keyboard on my lap, or on some sort of tray.

    I refuse to spend 10% of what I live on annually, on a computer.  To me, it seems ridiculous.  I am very reluctant to buy another cheapo.  I would be sorry not to be able to do more to help with the magazine, but even if the JRA were to provide me with a suitable laptop, I really don't want either the responsibility for something so valuable or the battery drain.  I am trying to simplify my life, not make it more complex.

    Part of the interest of living on a small boat is in overcoming these little challenges.  With the boatyard literally being locked down (the gates are padlocked!), I can't order anything by post or courier anyway, so there is no reason to be hasty about  this decision .  Your input and suggestions are much appreciated.


  • 04 Apr 2020 08:19
    Reply # 8878433 on 8878375
    Anonymous wrote:
    Graeme wrote:

    What I found was (due to my clumsy fingers) the touch screen kept me leaping into all  sorts of unexpected and unwanted avenues - and the keyboard I found too small and so sensitive as to require constant correction of mis-typings - and it seemed to run at about half the speed of a laptop - the upshot of all this leaving me to wonder if it really was any more economical, due to the fact that everything I did took (literally) about twice as long to perform as it otherwise would have.


    Of course on a Tablet a stylus can help a lot with screen functions, and advanced work such as graphics. The reason I like the mobile operating systems is that my Samsung S7 phone which is now 4 years old is still incredibly fast, much faster than my good Laptop, both in start up and general processing. I have a large number of useful Apps on it including the Microsoft Office Apps which I use, and I have still only used up half of the 32 GB internal memory. All photos, videos and other files are stored on the external SD card. As soon as you get into a device such as the Microsoft Surface you are using the full Windows 10 OS which gobbles up memory.

    Annie....why dont you look into getting a bluetooth keyboard to work either with your phone or pad?....they are very inexpensive and work very well, being light and handy. You can even get them integrated into a pad cover that will house and protect your pad.


  • 04 Apr 2020 06:14
    Reply # 8878375 on 8878165
    Deleted user
    Graeme wrote:

    What I found was (due to my clumsy fingers) the touch screen kept me leaping into all  sorts of unexpected and unwanted avenues - and the keyboard I found too small and so sensitive as to require constant correction of mis-typings - and it seemed to run at about half the speed of a laptop - the upshot of all this leaving me to wonder if it really was any more economical, due to the fact that everything I did took (literally) about twice as long to perform as it otherwise would have.


    Of course on a Tablet a stylus can help a lot with screen functions, and advanced work such as graphics. The reason I like the mobile operating systems is that my Samsung S7 phone which is now 4 years old is still incredibly fast, much faster than my good Laptop, both in start up and general processing. I have a large number of useful Apps on it including the Microsoft Office Apps which I use, and I have still only used up half of the 32 GB internal memory. All photos, videos and other files are stored on the external SD card. As soon as you get into a device such as the Microsoft Surface you are using the full Windows 10 OS which gobbles up memory.
  • 04 Apr 2020 00:32
    Reply # 8878165 on 4315719
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    An interesting and useful topic you have raised David - and my heart goes out to Annie, what a disastrous time to be suddenly left without a computer. Mine is showing signs of fragility now, I am just keeping my fingers crossed.

    I have in the past had no problem charging my laptop from the boat's 12V battery, but suspected it was digging pretty deeply into my limited storage. So, on the theory that a tablet is more economical to keep charged than a laptop, I purchased one when I did my little trailer boat excursion to the Kaipara, as all I had was a car battery and a small, old-type solar panel  given to me by Marcus. It kept the computer going, but I was using it very economically and I am not sure if it was any more economical than a laptop would have been, which I will explain in a moment. The tablet was a "Microsoft Surface Pro" and it was no cheaper than a good laptop would have been (I think it was over $1,000 with its extras, which included a 3rd party robust outer case and attachable keyboard.) I had no time to shop around, and grabbed it because it seemed it would do everything a laptop would do, had 8GB of ram, solid state hard drive - and keyboard and mouse capable - and it was capable of running Windows 10. (I have a mental block and an aversion to Apple these days, but I suspect an ipad might have been a better choice.) 

    What I found was (due to my clumsy fingers) the touch screen kept me leaping into all  sorts of unexpected and unwanted avenues - and the keyboard I found too small and so sensitive as to require constant correction of mis-typings - and it seemed to run at about half the speed of a laptop - the upshot of all this leaving me to wonder if it really was any more economical, due to the fact that everything I did took (literally) about twice as long to perform as it otherwise would have.

    Its a nice little gadget and it really does do everything a laptop will do, and I am pleased to have a back-up - but it is too slow and I don't like using it much, and I suspect David's suggestion of an android tablet might be better - or an ipad for those who prefer Apple. (Another "extra" I had to purchase was a third-party dedicated charging device which plugs into a 12v system via the old cigarette-lighter socket. There was some doubt as to whether 12v would be enough to charge this particular battery, but I found that it does.) My keyboard typing is slow and clumsy, but even I can over-load the buffer - which is rather annoying at times.


    MS Surface Pro tablet. Keyboard, mouse, protective outer casing and 12V charger are extra costs.

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  • 03 Apr 2020 21:47
    Reply # 8877946 on 8875588
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    Annie Hill wrote:

    So I hear, David.  However,  the laptop I just broke was a relative cheapie, although still a lot of money in my  book.  It had insufficient memory capacity even to update itself and the battery started to give out after a year.  I'm told that even a $500 machine is considered "cheap" and a second-hand one will almost certainly have a defunct battery.  I'm fed up of buying expensive items that only last a few years and then malfunction especially as I have no way of recycling these electronics, which now pile up like last year's leaves, because I can't bear to send them to landfill.   Shirley has given me a little old tablet she had and I can do most things on that.  One thing I cannot do without the ability to swop from screen to screen,  is the copy editing and proofreading for the magazine.  Well, with 850+other members, many of whom are twiddling their thumbs in lockdown, I'm sure someone will be capable of and prepared to take over one or both of those tasks.  In many ways it would be a relief to get rid of another expensive, electricity-greedy device.  Certainly I can't even think of buying something until the financial sitation settles down again!!

    However, the little tablet should be easier for updating my blog!


    This is off the subject of boat building, but for a small live aboard cruising yacht with limited space and relying on alternative energy for battery charging - what is the most appropriate 'device' to have on board. Having put a daughter through 12 years of schooling and needing to provide some type of electronic learning device for that whole time I have certainly learned some lessons about Tablets, and Laptop computers, and durability.

    To buy any capable, long lasting, good on battery power and easy to charge, and with sufficient performance and memory, you certainly need to spend close to a thousand dollars or more in New Zealand for a Laptop. Preferably it should have a solid state drive. For Catherine we have good success with Dell Laptops bought online. They sometimes have some very good specials where it is possible to save almost 50% of the regular price. Her first Dell Laptop lasted 6 years of fairly rough treatment and being carted off to school each day before it developed a fatal CPU error. She also has a smaller 11" touch screen Dell which gets a fair bit of abuse but just keeps on going. Unfortunately when I bought that I was being a bit of a scrooge and only got a 32GB Drive which was a mistake because with the requirements of the Windows OS it cannot now update, but she still uses it everyday and it is her take to school computer. This is backed up by a very good Dell Laptop for home use and for her graphics work which I bought for almost half price on a special pre-Christmas sale last year, but even that was about $800. And yes we have a computer graveyard in one of our cupboards.

    I am impressed with the stability, low memory and power requirements, and capability of the mobile operating systems, both Android and Apple. So I think for me I would go to a Sumsung Tablet with attached Keyboard, or iPad if someone was an Apple fan. I like the Android devices for their expandable memory and comparatively lower purchase price. Also Tablets do not need a 230 volt supply for charging. A Tablet would provide all requirements for various computing functions, photo editing, media and communication. The only thing that may not work so well is serious document editing work, but I don't know so much about this, but no doubt there are Apps which can make even this work. 

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