Plastic dome to seal off pram hood openings

  • 18 Oct 2016 09:48
    Reply # 4311016 on 4302785

    I think the whole condensation business is a bit of an irrelevancy because

    • the dome is only used for a minority of the time: usually the pram hood will be over the hole.
    • the hole is over a part of the boat that is (surely) suited to getting some moisture from oilskins, etc
    • a few drips onto the floor are the alternative to losing heat out of the hole: if the condensation is getting to be a serious issue, this implies that the whole interior is getting so damp that you probably need a bit more ventilation, ie, take the dome off and let the pram hood do its stuff.

    China Moon had doubled domes: I wasn't around to experience their effectiveness or otherwise.

    (As to the thickness of the plastic, the manufacturers I mentioned will custom fabricate.)

    Last modified: 18 Oct 2016 09:48 | Anonymous member
  • 17 Oct 2016 14:18
    Reply # 4309369 on 4302785
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    This is a technique that it sometimes used in lower-end double pane windows.  They will put silica gel along the edges - the same thing in the "Do Not Eat" packets that come in shipped electrical equipment.

    It does a goodish job of pulling out any moisture trapped between the two panes during manufacture.  However, they become overwhelmed if the seal between the two panes leak at all, which I'm sure would happen with thin plastic bubbles and boat movement. 

    Maybe a method by which, when the silica gets saturated, you can easily break the seal, clean betwixt the domes, pop the gel packs in the oven to dry them out (it works), and slap it all back together, good to go for a few more months.

    To me, though, that sounds an awful lot like (shudder) added maintenance and complexity.  

  • 17 Oct 2016 11:55
    Reply # 4308832 on 4302785
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Drying the air between the domes

    Here is an armchair idea:

    Glue and seal the two domes down onto a common flange and install it as a unit on the boat.

    To avoid condensation of the air between the domes, the clue is to keep that interdome air so dry that its dewpoint is below the temperature on any of the dome surfaces. To achieve this, I would (prior to installing the domes) drill six 10mm holes, about 25mm above the lower edge of the inner dome. After installing the finished unit, I would pour something highly hygroscopic; say ordinary salt or something, into each hole. I guess I would aim for a table spoon or two in each hole. Then I would close the holes with tape, ready to re-open and add more salt later, if needed.

    Just a thought...

    Arne

     


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  • 17 Oct 2016 10:07
    Reply # 4308678 on 4308127
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    Annie Hill wrote:
    Michael Moore wrote: Condensation?
    Well, Michael, if you stacked two together, a possibility I suggested, you would eliminate any possibility of condensation.  Otherwise, it is that very issue of condensation that makes a dome so inferior for watchkeeping, as compared with a pram hood.

    However, I am suggesting using a dome here, when you want to keep the heat in.  While condensation will be a downside (although you could possibly just prop it open a wee bit), the compensations are extra headroom and increased light (often an issue on colder days.)  Moreover, your pram hood will probably be over a 'wet' area in the boat, so that a few drips won't be an issue.  An off-the-shelf alloy hatch would cause the same issues; and I've been shipmate with more than one sliding hatch that gathers condensation on its inside face.

    The dome will be a perfect solution in my case: it's just one option that may be worth considering for anyone starting from scratch, or wanting to install a pram hood and/or rebuilding their companionway.


    Hello Annie, I would love a dome on my boat but the problem as I see it is twofold.

    First the thickness issue, which is a judgement call. The second a very real problem sealing the two domes together so that damp cannot get between and give rise to unwipable condensation! I remember living with old double glazing in my house which had this problem.

    Mike

  • 16 Oct 2016 21:53
    Reply # 4308127 on 4307348
    Michael Moore wrote: Condensation?
    Well, Michael, if you stacked two together, a possibility I suggested, you would eliminate any possibility of condensation.  Otherwise, it is that very issue of condensation that makes a dome so inferior for watchkeeping, as compared with a pram hood.

    However, I am suggesting using a dome here, when you want to keep the heat in.  While condensation will be a downside (although you could possibly just prop it open a wee bit), the compensations are extra headroom and increased light (often an issue on colder days.)  Moreover, your pram hood will probably be over a 'wet' area in the boat, so that a few drips won't be an issue.  An off-the-shelf alloy hatch would cause the same issues; and I've been shipmate with more than one sliding hatch that gathers condensation on its inside face.

    The dome will be a perfect solution in my case: it's just one option that may be worth considering for anyone starting from scratch, or wanting to install a pram hood and/or rebuilding their companionway.


  • 15 Oct 2016 20:28
    Reply # 4307348 on 4302789
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    Annie Hill wrote:Yes, I know that.  For inshore use this is possibly adequate.  However, they seem perfectly willing and able to make custom designs.  A second alternative is to buy two of these domes and to stack them with little spacers which would not only make the unit stronger, but would provide double glazing, too!

    And, of course, they also make them out of polycarbonate.


    Condensation?
  • 12 Oct 2016 21:13
    Reply # 4302789 on 4302785
    Yes, I know that.  For inshore use this is possibly adequate.  However, they seem perfectly willing and able to make custom designs.  A second alternative is to buy two of these domes and to stack them with little spacers which would not only make the unit stronger, but would provide double glazing, too!

    And, of course, they also make them out of polycarbonate.


    Last modified: 12 Oct 2016 21:15 | Anonymous member
  • 12 Oct 2016 21:08
    Message # 4302785

    I'm just moving part of another thread under a new heading, which may prove useful for other members:


    Annie Hill wrote:
    Darren Bos wrote:I can see where the Hasler style pramhood would suit some folks better.  However, if you have a sliding hatch, then the pramhood prevents you from having a garage to keep the hatch nice and waterproof (unless you mount the pramhood somewhere else).  I do wish I could have the flexibility of the rotating pramhood which lets you keep the spray off you whichever direction the wind is coming from.  However, we have a pilothouse and I'm 6'3", in our case the Pardey design is a better fit.  I'm surprised you can get a custom plexi bubble for $70NZ, I could barely get a thick piece of plexi the right size here for that cost.  How thick of plexi do they make the bubbles with?
    According to Mr Tyler, he has designed the perfect sliding hatch cum pramhood, which he wanted me to install in SibLim.  I'm sure he'd send you a drawing of his clever concept - it may even be included in the SibLim plans in his profile.

    The domes are made by Cambrian Plastics and are, indeed, astonishingly inexpensive.

    Paul Thompson wrote:

    The standard (cheap) dome is only 3mm thick, I'd want one at least twice that thickness. Also because it's blow moulded, it will be thinner on the top. How much thinner I don't know as that depends on a number of factors. A clever operator can keep the thinning to a minimum but it will still occur. How do I know? I write programs that control the machines that do plastic mouldings of this sort.
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