split junk sails, one jib good, two jibs better?

  • 26 Sep 2016 10:10
    Reply # 4274951 on 4258083

    I agree, Slieve. There are multi-element foils, and the most obvious example is the use of multiple flaps, both at the LE and the TE, on modern aircraft. But these are to provide maximum lift, and reduced stall speed, when required at takeoff and landing, at the expense of greatly increased drag. Check out figure 7 in 

    http://adg.stanford.edu/aa241/highlift/highliftintro.html 

    for a multi element foil from the year 1921 with very high lift but also very high drag and therefore a poor lift/drag ratio. That means that you could get a very powerful reaching sail this way, but it wouldn't go to windward.

  • 25 Sep 2016 22:37
    Reply # 4274346 on 4258083

    Wonder what Slieve thinks of this heresy?”

    The only way to find out is to build it and sail it against another rig on an identical hull. In other words, you have all the problems of any experimenter.

    For what it is worth, I feel that there would probably be a loss of performance when compared with a single split rig. I realise that there and many ways of increasing the lift of an airfoil, but most of them also increase the drag so that the lift/drag ratio falls, and therefore the windward performance is generally inferior. High performance gliders and modern passenger aeroplanes have long narrow wings, and without doubt a similar plan form would give a great lift drag performance on a boat, but we have to come down to what is practical.

    Sails have a single surface and are built around a mast, so we have to do the best we can. The Bermudan boys have ended up with a single cambered sail in front of the mast and a deflecting sail behind, and generally find that an additional slot in the jib to make it a cutter has more drag. The split junk is an attempt to get a clear cambered single foil in front of the mast to get that important windward drive, and has the additional advantage of a better plan form than the triangular Bermudan set up. I feel that additional slot would increase the drag without an appreciable increase in lift, so would probably reduce the performance. It would also increase the production effort and cost.

    But then, who am I to say?

    Cheers, Slieve.


  • 20 Sep 2016 22:48
    Reply # 4265670 on 4258083
    Deleted user

    Imitation is widely held to be the sincerest form of flattery, Annie.

    This idea also struck me a year or so again when reading around the split rig, and looking at Paul McKay's original sketch in Newsletter 24, where he put the split well aft of the mast. Slieve's move to the mast is clearly an improvement, but what if we had both?

    Wonder what Slieve thinks of this heresy?

    Chris

  • 20 Sep 2016 22:25
    Reply # 4265657 on 4258083
    I feel I'm being got at!
  • 19 Sep 2016 23:46
    Message # 4258083

     A thought occurred to me that if one jib improves performance then why not split the 'main' into two and have two jibs. This should give 3 effective foils with relatively higher aspect ratio. It would be easy to adapt this to either aerojunk or shaped panel rigs.

    I have done a sketch which I will try and download to the site

    The name of this rig could be jib-lim (jib-lots is more).

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