Sewing Machine

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  • 05 Sep 2016 21:23
    Reply # 4229670 on 4225757
    Pfaffs are pretty much Rolls Royces, while we are in motor-car metaphor.  (I've heard of Hummers, but to the best of my knowledge and belief, never seen one, so have no idea if they are like a trendy SUV or an old-fashioned Land Rover.)  However, I believe one tends to get fond of the machine that one has, if it works well and does what you want.  Just to really stir up the wasp's nest, when I've used a Sailrite, I haven't found it to be significantly better than a really robust domestic machine.  But if one were available at a good price, at least you would know what you were getting, while there are so many makes and variations of domestic machines, it's more difficult.  But the wider variety of stitches does allow one to do more than make sails with them!
  • 04 Sep 2016 22:06
    Reply # 4228280 on 4228131
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    David Tyler wrote:

    Hummer?? No! More like a utilitarian 4WD vehicle. An old-style Land Rover, with no attention paid to cosmetic appearance, would be a better metaphor. There's no way that I'd attempt a big sail of heavy cloth with less than a Sailrite.


    Ok, but Peter was to do "some canvas work". A "big sail of heavy cloth" is something else, if my Reliant Robin English serves me...

    A.

  • 04 Sep 2016 17:56
    Reply # 4228131 on 4225757

    Hummer?? No! More like a utilitarian 4WD vehicle. An old-style Land Rover, with no attention paid to cosmetic appearance, would be a better metaphor. There's no way that I'd attempt a big sail of heavy cloth with less than a Sailrite.

  • 04 Sep 2016 10:10
    Reply # 4227901 on 4225757
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    Peter,

    there is the ideal world, and then there is the real world. The Sailrite is the Hummer of the amateur sewing machines, but who needs a Hummer?

    I have a Pfaff 360, a domestic sewing machine, made in the early sixties. It is not very big and it has no walking foot, but it can sew 4mm wide zigzag, and it can sew with up to T90 thread, which is actually thicker than we need. I have made eight sails with that machine, including a staysail and a gaff mizzen from thick Duradon. There is a lot of info on the web about this machine and similar models.

    Arne

     

     

  • 04 Sep 2016 08:00
    Reply # 4227877 on 4225757
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    Has to be a sail rite  for choice but as David says, expensive for just the odd jobs. I have a heavy duty Alpha with. Both electric and handcrank , which has is handy on anchor but leaves you with a very stiff  arm and shoulder if, As I did, you sew  up the sail catchers  with the hand crank!! Tonyandsally 

  • 04 Sep 2016 06:29
    Reply # 4227823 on 4225757

    I left my Sailrite aboard Tystie, which was good news for Martin but bad news for me. It was too heavy to ship home. It's the ideal amateur sailmaker's machine, but a big investment for just one or two small sails. I don't propose to make any more big sails, so I trawled eBay for a reconditioned semi-industrial tabletop machine with straight and zigzag stitches, a rigid metal frame and as simple as possible. Domestic machines nowadays have a zillion different stitch patterns, none of which we want. I bought an Alfa, but there are many different makes that would do the job of sailmaking. It came with a walking foot attachment, which was rubbish - not recommended. The built-in walking foot is one of the things that makes the Sailrite able to sew large sails. The other is that the needle carrying part of the machine on the Sailrite stays vertical as it moves from side to side, and this is a feature that allows it to punch through thick cloth without bending the needle. It's not often found on other machines. My Alfa was able to make my 22 sq m sail, out of 8.8oz/sq yd cloth, but only just. I had to take very great care to avoid too many thicknesses of cloth, and ease the needle through where many thicknesses were unavoidable. Still, it got the  job done without too many bent needles (get in a supply of needles before you start). I wouldn't attempt anything larger on it. Making the same size sail from lighter cloth would be easy.

    Going back many years, the first sails I made were sewn with a positively ancient black-and-gold Singer, but electric and with zigzag stitching, an investment of £20 in a secondhand emporium. It served very well until I overloaded it and damaged the timing mechanisms too much, and it was never the same again.

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  • 04 Sep 2016 02:03
    Reply # 4226401 on 4225757
    Actually, Peter, any domestic sewing machine that is capable of sewing a pair of denim jeans will be good enough for you.  Most of the older electric sewing machines are pretty heavy duty, but a lot of modern ones are a bit feeble.  If you are thinking of having a sewing machine on your boat, you might want a hand-driven Singer machine.  We made sails for Badger on one of these and Alan made Zebedee's on a similar machine.  Conventional sail cloth needs to be punched through, so you need a strong machine for that.  Acrylic, 'Odyssey', etc don't need anything so powerful.

    Industrial machines used to be very expensive, even second-hand, but are apparently being replaced by computer technology so are pretty cheap now.  The advantage of one of these (apart from the fact that they are so powerful that they could sew through your thumb and not even notice it!) is that the throat is quite a lot wider than a domestic machine, which makes it less of an ordeal forcing through big bundles of cloth. 

    I have found sailmakers to be generally very friendly and helpful.  I'm sure that if you ask nicely, someone will show you how to use a machine and explain the different stitches.  Zigzag is a nice feature, but not necessary.  Its main advantage is that it disguises wobbly lines of stitching!

  • 03 Sep 2016 23:38
    Reply # 4226310 on 4225757
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    David Tyler will probably have a lot of useful thoughts on this but ideally you need an industrial type machine with a walking foot, which is capable of punching through several layers of canvas. The ideal machine is the Sailrite which are made for heavy canvas and sail making. In New Zealand I purchased a new Chinese made Mercury machine which seems identical to the Sailrite apart from the heavy flywheel on the Sailrite. This cost NZ$500 new with the extra long throat, or arm. I use the Sailrite manual for the machine which shows how identical they are. I have used this now for a sail cover, bimini, and other canvas project on the boat, and for repairing horse covers. I bought new because any second hand machines were of doubtful age and quality and so the price of the Mercury compared very well, and it came with an extended warranty. So far it has performed well.

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  • 03 Sep 2016 13:01
    Message # 4225757

    I've never used a sewing machine, and I'm not even sure I've even seen one being used! However, I want to have a go at doing some canvas work with the final aim being to make a sail.

    So the question is.... which sewing machine should I buy?   It seems eBay is awash with secondhand machines, but what should I be looking for?  

    Thanks in advance

    Peter

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