Drua gets a new split junk rig

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  • 09 Jul 2016 21:19
    Reply # 4121906 on 4095508
    Deleted user

    Thanks Chris

    Taking a look at it I am sure I will have to use an euphroe arrangement.  Even a two to one ratio will mean a lot of rope to take in when shunting and rotating the rig 180 degrees.  With the split rig set at 35% ahead of the mast I expect sheet loads to be low.

    Have you seen any arrangements with a euphroe for 5 attachment points? 


  • 09 Jul 2016 11:59
    Reply # 4121092 on 4095508
    Anonymous

    Ron

    Here's the diagram from PJR.

    Chris

    Last modified: 09 Jul 2016 12:00 | Anonymous
  • 09 Jul 2016 00:30
    Reply # 4120580 on 4095508
    Deleted user

    I didn't bring my PJR with me. Any thoughts on where I can find a sketch of a 5 point sheeting arrangement?

  • 08 Jul 2016 17:47
    Reply # 4120081 on 4095508
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    Yes, you need to attach at batten ends to tack. My sail has a webbing boltrope, and I've got webbing loops that are securely attached to both the batten ends and the boltrope, and they seem more than strong enough for sheeting.

    Practical Junk Rig has a long discussion about sheeting arrangements; I think it is a full chapter; if you have it, start there. Length of sheetlets is semi-critical. Too long and you won't be able to sheet the sail all the way in. Too short and they will pull the battens together, messing with sail shape.

    Most junk sails I'm familiar with, and certainly the Hasler-McLeod standard sail do not have a sheetlet going either to the yard or the top batten, so a 7-panel sail has 6-point sheeting. I don't know enough about either multihulls or your sailplan to venture a good opinion on 4-point vs. 5-point sheeting.

    The advantage of 4-point sheeting is simplicity, a shorter distance between the clew and the sheeting point (Dmin in PJR), while the advantage of 5-point sheeting would be better control over sail twist and ability to reef down to only one panel instead of two panels without needing to lash battens together or anything.

  • 07 Jul 2016 04:02
    Reply # 4117865 on 4095508
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    Thanks for the feed back.  Yes I think you understand the situation correctly.  If I want to tack I think I need to attach at the batten ends rather than any closer to the mast.  I have sewn webbing loops so I think I will tie into them if you think they will be strong enough. 

    I have 5 panels but the top panel goes from 10 degrees up to the yard at 30 degrees.  All panels are about the same area.  I think I need to attach at the 5 battens right?  Why do I think all the angles and length of sheetlets is super critical?  Do you know of any links where I can learn more about 5 point sheeting systems?  Is there a consensus on equal power sheeting or more power at the boom and the top, and the amount of twist, or is that a whole other thread?

  • 06 Jul 2016 17:24
    Reply # 4117290 on 4095508
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    It sounds like your version of proa double sheets would be actually having two sets of what PJR calls single sheets, one lazy and led to the current bow....and hopefully not snagging badly while sailing. And you plan to be able to tack with the active one, at least for close quarters maneuvering. Is that correct?

    I'm sure others have a lot more experience with sheeting variations than I do, but here's what I've found with Flutterby. My mainsail is a split sail, around 500 square feet, 7 panels, ~25% balance. I've got a single 3:1 sheet, with a block and a thimble on minimum-length 3-batten spans, and tried to fit it into a little less space than PJR recommends for that kind of span. With 5 panels, you would only need a 4-point sheeting system, simplifying things a bit.

    Issues I've had have been battens hanging up sheetlets, and it was improved a little by putting bolts through my webbing boltrope loops and the sail and the batten end to stop the batten from protruding, and also by going from sheetlets attached to webbing loops (sewn to the sail and bolted to the batten) instead of tied to the battens.

    I tried to draw the biggest sails I could fit given the mast and deck arrangements. I'm pretty sure if I had chosen to make smaller sails, not pushing the limits of what could possibly fit, some of the snagging issues would probably go away with more relaxed angles. If you have more space between your sail and your sheeting point, it should be easier.

    The 3:1 sheet seemed to me to be a reasonable compromise between mechanical power and amount of string. I tried a 5:1 sheet on my mizzen and it was way too much string. I don't put it on a winch, but might want to in more extreme conditions.

  • 06 Jul 2016 02:02
    Reply # 4116394 on 4095508
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    Hope to be able to finish stepping the mast and rigging Drua this week.  Progress has been a little slow, but there were some holidays in there and there is a lot to do.

    Any advice on how to attach the sheetlets to the battens would be most welcome.  I am using double sheets on each sail.  Should I attach at the ends of the battens or tie to some webbing loops that I have, or tie 20% back from the end?  Each sheet will run straight aft and will be used for port and stbd tack, so would mounting them in from the end be a problem?  The second set of sheets will be sheeted to the opposite bow of the same hull, and used when sailing in the opposite direction after a shunt when you will be sailing in reverse so to speak.  These double ender proa things are so hard to describe.

    My sails have 5 panels. I would love some advise on how to rig the euphroe? I am somewhat worried about them hitting things like solar panels etc.  I would rather use lots of small thimbles but need to do it in a way that the mainsheet is tied to them like a euphroe so I can minimize the amount of sheet I have to collect on a shunt. 

  • 27 Jun 2016 05:14
    Reply # 4103311 on 4095508
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    Annie, thanks for giving me the short version of how to upload photos.  I have uploaded a few for your review. 

  • 26 Jun 2016 22:21
    Reply # 4102892 on 4095508
    Ron, I'm sure a lot of us would like to see more photos.  They are very easy to post on the website.  Just go to your Profile, and then click on Member photo albums: this will take you to another window.  Click on the button that says Add album give it a Title and Description, if you like.  Click on Submit and then upload photos from your computer (or camera).  When you've done all that, just post on this forum and we can all go to your directory profile and see your album(s).
  • 26 Jun 2016 19:08
    Reply # 4102718 on 4095508
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    Thanks for your interest in Drua, and the link to Ontong Java which I had not seen before.  I am new to forums and will try to do a better job of interacting.  After 10 years operating Seabbatical our long term charter company, Drua was my attempt to make a more affordable, simple, better performing multihull. I love the simplicity of Proa's but need accommodation in both hulls like a catamaran.  A tacking only boat would have made things easier.  We wanted to be able to tack in a Chanel and shunt for longer passages.  Our rudders are in side hung cassets fore and aft on the long hull.  The rudder boards are able to be raised and lowered, and pulled forward for balance in either direction.  Both are hydraulically linked to one wheel.  I will try to get more photos of Drua on our website soon, or try to figure out how to add them here.

    I have made my sails split to the top.  Each sail has 5 battens and a yard.  I have closed batten pockets on the Luff of the jib and leech of the main, and will lash the leech of the jib to the luff of the main to stretch the sail onto the battens.  For shunting, I will need double sheetlets, each sheeted to a block at opposite ends of the same hull.  They will be routed back to a block where the sheetlets attach to the main sheet and then to the cabin roof.  I am not sure how to do this yet.  And I am trying to decide if I should attach the sheetlets at the end of the battens or some distance forward?

     

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