Dinghy junk rig conversion

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  • 13 Aug 2016 20:39
    Reply # 4188703 on 4063784

    First sail today! Roughly 10 - 20 knots of wind.

    Sails very nicely - good performance into wind and very fast down wind. Lovely being able to reef the sails for the gusts.

    The only issue I've found is that the sail isn't terribly beautiful when reefed - possibly need more/better luff parrels - currently only the lowest panel has one. It still works fine, just doesn't look as elegant as it should...

  • 20 Jul 2016 23:35
    Reply # 4146981 on 4063784
    Gorgeous.  She looks cute as chips!
  • 20 Jul 2016 14:54
    Reply # 4145162 on 4063784

    Sail is on the boat - very happy!

    Still got a few things to sort out - notably fitting cleats for halyard, downhaul and throat haul. But it looks very nice!

    Pic of sail on boat

  • 16 Jul 2016 01:40
    Reply # 4135639 on 4063784
    It looks great - the contrasting green acrylic looks sharp!  Your link didn't work by the way - did you use your public profile to set it up?  Anyway, this one should take people to the album.  I bet you're looking forward to trying it out, now!
    Last modified: 16 Jul 2016 01:41 | Anonymous member
  • 15 Jul 2016 20:17
    Reply # 4135434 on 4063784

    Sail is now complete - pic is here: http://junkrigassociation.org/resources/MemberAlbums/29417059/Owl/IMAG0470.jpg

    So far construction has been straightforward, following Arne's Method 2, although there were a lot of bits to sew together!

    I've made it from 65gsm ripstop polyester which I think will be strong enough - certainly seems tough in the small panel size. The batten pockets are in acrylic canvas which I had left over from another project - basically because the colour contrast looks nice. The canvas is tied into the webbing at luff and leach so minimal loads are taken by the polyester. Yard and boom are in pockets too - we'll see how well that works...

    Next step is get the battens and yard sorted, then get it all fitted to the mast...

  • 27 Jun 2016 18:59
    Reply # 4104292 on 4063784

    Brilliant - thank you!

    Fabric has arrived, aluminium tube is here so just need to finalise the design and get sewing. Plan is to use your method number 2 - got ripstop polyester for the main fabric and some nice green acrylic canvas left over from something else for the batten tubes, so it should look nice.

    Cheers

    Martin

  • 27 Jun 2016 15:27
    Reply # 4103957 on 4063784
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Martin,

    The actual centre of pressure, CP (or “dynamic CoE”) sits a bit forward of the Bermuda rig or flat JR  -  that is  -  if the max camber point is well forward in the sail. On a sloop JR that should be about 2-4% of the WL of the boat. On a dinghy, which usually has a big, efficient rudder, this is not critical.

    I did slacken the sail of Johanna 10 cm (B=5.80m) along the battens to increase camber. That worked, but is also made the vertical curve rounder. On later boats I have tied the sail on moderately taut along the battens. This may result in slightly flatter sail than my chain calculator predicts, but the vertical curve gets more trapeze-like, as if the sail was made with the shelf foot method. In addition, there will be fewer wrinkles along the battens. The photo below, taken recently of Ingeborg’s sail, shows this: Look carefully on the shadows cast by the mast and lines onto the sail. I guess I prefer it that way, but I have no racing record, which proves this way is better than the slack Johanna sail.

    I suggest you don’t worry too much. Making a fairly good junk sail is not rocket science. If the camber ends up at 6% instead of 8, or vice versa, you will not be in a crash-and-burn-situation.  Hurry up, the summer is gone before you know it!

    Cheers, Arne

    PS. I suggest you cut the battens about 2% longer than B. Then, after having sailed this season, you fit tape-marks to indicate how much you will shorten them before next season.

    PPS: Yes, fit the battens flush with the leech.

     

    Last modified: 27 Jun 2016 15:28 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 27 Jun 2016 14:20
    Reply # 4103851 on 4063784

    With barrel cambered sails, how do I design the length of the battens to the length of the sailcloth? PJR mentions stretching the (flat) sailcloth to the battens, whereas Arne mentions leaving slack in the (cambered) sailcloth to allow the camber to form. Presumably the batten length should be slightly longer than the sailcloth without allowing for the length of the barrel curve? I guess I don't want to have anything stuck out of the leach, but it is ok to have a bit of batten sticking out of the luff?

    BTW - is the top-to-bottom shape of the cambered sail panel a catenary (as generated by the chain calculator) or more-or-less a circular arc? The arc might fit Arne's 1.2x compensation factor better?

  • 13 Jun 2016 10:30
    Reply # 4072137 on 4063784

    Does camber on a junk sail pull the CoE forward from the PJR position? If so, do I need to compensate for this with the design of the sail (i.e. move the sail back or use a lower aspect ratio)?

    Thanks

  • 09 Jun 2016 23:28
    Reply # 4066519 on 4063784
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    There are pros and cons with respect to aspect ratios.

    I found Broremann’s sail (AR=2.15) super-easy to set, trim, reef and furl. It also put lighter demands on the rudder when broad-reaching and running than a low-AR sail does. The downside is that the mast get tall and the centre of pressure of the sail sits quite high up.

    A lower AR sail generally needs a bit more use of the running parrels (THP, YHP) to set well. The wider sails also give more weather helm when reaching and running. However, if the boat has a big and well balanced rudder (all junks should have one), reaching and running is no problem, maybe except that the boom is more likely to touch water (which is no real problem in a dinghy). The lower AR sails also get away with shorter masts, which may in some cases be an advantage.

    I don’t have the dimensions of the yard for Broremann, but it must have been around 2.50m since the head of the sail was 2.45m. That yard was made from spruce and was an exact copy of the one shown in Practical Junk Rig. The one-part halyard was just tied to the yard.

    Arne

     

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