Taming a fantail

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  • 02 May 2016 02:22
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Ouch, Annie,

    it appears that you were so close when rigging Fantail. Only the slingpoint was a few inches too far forward on the yard. I didn't see this until I compared your rig with the rig of Footprints. I guess I must write a note about it in the "Peaking up the junkrig" write up...

    Arne


    And I was too set in my ways to experiment.  Serves me right!  Yes, it's certainly worth mentioning in your write-up.
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  • 01 May 2016 22:32
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Ouch, Annie,

    it appears that you were so close when rigging Fantail. Only the slingpoint was a few inches too fare forward on the yard. I didn't see this until I compared your rig with the rig of Footprints. I guess I must write a note about it in the "Peaking up the junkrig" write up...

    Arne

    Yes, it has made a remarkable difference. While it doesn't in itself set the sail, it removes almost all the tension in getting it to set.
  • 01 May 2016 22:24
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    Annie Hill wrote:Hey Bryan, are you following this thread? Eerik is describing building a sail.

    (In defence of my own sailmaking, may I say that Fantail's leech has never fluttered!)


    Thanks Annie - I'll check it out.

    The query about the leech is entirely about my own dubious stitching skills, Annie, not yours! In my more familiar field (dacron aircraft wings) flutter and unequal leech tension between battens are the stuff of nightmares, so i just need a little counseling...

  • 01 May 2016 22:14
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    Ouch, Annie,

    it appears that you were so close when rigging Fantail. Only the slingpoint was a few inches too far forward on the yard. I didn't see this until I compared your rig with the rig of Footprints. I guess I must write a note about it in the "Peaking up the junkrig" write up...

    Arne

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  • 01 May 2016 21:22
    Reply # 3997374 on 3952885
    Hey Bryan, are you following this thread? Eerik is describing building a sail.

    (In defence of my own sailmaking, may I say that Fantail's leech has never fluttered!)


  • 01 May 2016 09:43
    Reply # 3996600 on 3952885
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    Good, Bryan!

    I haven't cut hollow in the leech of my last sails. Somehow I forgot to do it on both Frøken Sørensen and Ingeborg. Ingeborg's sail has not been tried yet, but at least, the sail of FS is perfectly free from flutter. I guess that has to do with the little bagginess even in the top panels, plus the stout webbing type boltrope. The only way to make a leech flutter, is to let it be slack, and that can never happen in the top panels of my sails.

    Arne

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  • 01 May 2016 08:09
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    Argh - sorry Arne, in my previous life I built dacron wings with pre-formed aluminum battens and 'scalloping' was a slight hollowing of the the line of the leach between battens to eliminate flutter. 

    I feeling very happy with the set we've now got on Fantail. The loads on the luff/throat hauling parrel is quite low, the load on the yard hauling parrel is almost non-existent and the set is nearly perfect. The pertormance on all points is great.

  • 01 May 2016 07:49
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    Bryan,

    I am not sure what you mean. Hasler and McLeod describe scalloping as a result of the wind pushing on a flat sail, which tends to blow a little vertical curve into the batten panels, along the whole chord of each panel. I certainly want the luff and leech to stand as straight as possible. In my sails, that happens almost by itself: Since I cut fairly deep bagginess into the batten panels, I think that reduces the tendency of the wind forces to pull the battens together, i. e. making the panels (and luff and leech) scallop. I certainly don’t use any external luff and leech lines to produce any scalloping. Normally the luff stands straight in my sails, except the lowest panel, if there is no downhaul on it. The leech, which takes the forces from the sheet generally stands quite straight, maybe except on a run, when the sheet forces are more horizontal than vertical.

    Clear as mud, right?

    Arne

    PS: On this photo Johanna is sailing with one reef. There is no downhaul in the fore end of the sail (only the THP). As a result, the luff of the lowest setting panel naturally will scallop. I can live with that.

     ( See My Boats, Photo 4)

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  • 01 May 2016 06:39
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    The reason why I make a bit camber in my top panels, is not only to cope with light winds. I find that the little bit of bagginess ensures that the reinforced leech stands taut, and never ever flutters. I think avoiding fluttering is important to make the sail last.

    Arne

     

    Arne, do you scallop the luff and leach at all? Any thoughts on that?
  • 21 Apr 2016 09:17
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    Bryan,
    I am glad to hear that Fantail performs well to windward in a blow, but I am not surprised, really. Fantail has a good hull with plenty of keel, ballast and rudder, so will take care of you. Fantail also has a fairly short, light and slim  mast (compared to all-wooden masts), which definitely is an advantage here. I also found that even my first, perfectly flat sail (on Malena in 1990) worked quite well in a blow. The big advantage of the JR, apart from saving us from working on a jumping deck, is that it is easy to set the right sail area for the conditions. Camber and pretty setting of the sail seems to matter less in such conditions. Remember, in strong winds, the apparent wind is closer to the true wind, so we can point surprisingly well on the compass or GPS.

    The reason why I make a bit camber in my top panels, is not only to cope with light winds. I find that the little bit of bagginess ensures that the reinforced leech stands taut, and never ever flutters. I think avoiding fluttering is important to make the sail last.

    Arne

     

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