Sail Area/ Displacement Questions

  • 29 Feb 2016 23:00
    Reply # 3851905 on 3846860
    Anonymous

    Thanks Bryan it all helps. 

  • 28 Feb 2016 20:20
    Reply # 3849521 on 3846860
    Deleted user

    Jeff, I don't pretend to have any expertise on this but for what it's worth I can pass on something I was told by a designer. His view was that for light airs, sail area/wetted surface area was the factor to consider. He recommended a minimum value of 2.5. 

    Calculating wetted surface is tricky, but there are a bunch of calculators online that give a good-enough guess if you're interested.

  • 27 Feb 2016 17:29
    Reply # 3848104 on 3846860
    Anonymous

    Thanks Arne. I will be using the boat mostly for sailing protected waters and lake sailing.British Columbia is known for light air in the summer so I estimated a 25 m2 sail. You have contributed a great deal of your accumulated knowledge here and when I referred to the rig you have developed as "sota" it was meant as a compliment. For a newcomer starting out there is a lot of information to absorb and your assistance is greatly appreciated. 

  • 27 Feb 2016 10:48
    Reply # 3847469 on 3846860
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jeff ,
    here is the method for calculating SA/displacement:

     http://www.junkrigassociation.org/Resources/Documents/
    Arne%20Kverneland%27s%20files/How%20to%20calculate
    %20Sail%20Area%20to%20disp.%20ratio,%
    20ver.%2020100923.pdf

    It isn’t just to divide the SA with displacement, as you do, although I have started to use that method as well. Then the answer comes in square meters per (metric) ton.

    By using the formula in the link above, your boat’s “proper” SA/disp should be 23.6.

    That is a bit higher than the..

    “Direct SA/disp” = 25m2/1.116ton= 22.40m2/ton

    If you are to sail mostly in coastal and half-protected waters, I still would recommend going for those 25m2. However, if you are to sail in a generally windy area, offshore, I guess 20m2 would be enough.

    As for calling the Johanna type sailplans for “state of the art”, I am not sure I am with you there. There has been done more recent developments of the JR, which may well be faster than the rigs I design. The Johanna type sailplan is just a well-tested sail which is easy to make, and which performs and handles well. That is good enough for me.

    Good luck with your project.

     Arne

    Last modified: 27 Feb 2016 10:52 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 27 Feb 2016 02:33
    Message # 3846860
    Anonymous

    I am starting work on the sail plan for my PY23 and have some questions. My boat is specified at 1116 kg on sailboat data. Based on that, if I do the calculation for a 25 Sq. Meter sail: 25 m2 /1.116= 22.40. Based on Arne Kverneland's table that would put me in the middle of a cruising setup and a hot setup. Does this sound like a reasonable target sail area for my boat considering I am mainly focused on cruising? Also , should I add a buffer for the added weight of crew and supplies or is this generally factored in by the NA when assigning displacement numbers? I am going to scale from the 10 master Johanna type sailplans for my rig. I have decided to go with a cambered setup as I plan to have a sailmaker sew up my sail. The Johanna style appears to be a "state of the art" setup. Great information!Thanks so much, Jeff

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