New rig for Cool Change

  • 27 Jan 2016 17:55
    Reply # 3785353 on 3778036
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Well, Steve,

    actually I think it is possible to get too focused on safety. One may end up kicking dust along the beaches, instead of sailing ;-).

    Here are my comments to your three problem points:

    1.      I suggest you take it a bit easy the first season. Get the rig and boat operational and sail her in protected waters at first.  The flotation you need then, just to avoid that the boat sinks if filled with water, is as much as the ballast plus 100 kg. Remember, the boat is of wood so will in itself provide about its own weight in buoyancy.

    2.      Yes, a ballast shoe (start with 100kg) should improve things, but don’t overdo it.

    3.      With the ballast shoe and with Styrofoam pads up beneath the side decks etc, it is unlikely that you will do a 180. A line to secure the cb in fully down, is a good thing to have. Try some capsize drills on a calm day, with an assistance boat at hand. Most probably, you will, together with the fixed ballast and locked-down cb, be able to recover her from a 90° position

    Remember, the main safety factors in dinghies like yours, and my Frøken Sørensen lie in the way we handle them ( just as with driving motorcycles). As I said to begin with, take it a bit easy, at first.

    Here are the safety rules I use for handling my Frøken Sørensen:

    ·         Stay sober and focused.

    ·         Cleat the sheet to a quick-release jam- or clamcleat. The cleat must be carefully positioned to let you release the sheet from any awkward angle. This is important!

    ·         Make a habit of holding the tiller and the (cleated) sheet in the same hand.

    ·         Keep the tail of the sheet in a heap aft of you on the cockpit floor, so it is free to run out.

    ·         In strong wind gusts, releasing the sheet has first priority. That normally does the trick, even if you managed to ship quite some water. Trying to head up is a too slow method on dinghies. Practice this quick sheet release, just as motorcyclist practice braking. You will soon see that you don’t need to release the sheet very far to depower the sail. This is one reason why I only use a 3-part sheet  -  quick depowering of the sail.

    ·         Don’t hand the tiller and sheet over to a newbie in gusty winds. Remember also that  even experienced sailors, coming from heavy keelboats, may not have the sheet-release reflex in their spine  -  they are mostly used to just round up a little in gusts.

    ·         When I got my dinghy, Broremann, I got into the habit of using a flotation gear, just a simple foam sailor’s vest. I would never use an inflatable gear, since they need regular maintenance and one’s movements will be very restricted once they inflate.

    Time to stop worrying and get started  -  good luck!

    Arne

     

  • 27 Jan 2016 11:45
    Reply # 3784816 on 3778036
    Deleted user

    Not on the topic of the sail, but more on increasing seaworthiness of the TS16, I have been cautioned that my boat can be very difficult to right in a knockdown.
    The factors seem to be:

    1. The lack of dedicated floatation in the standard design.

    2. The lack of built-in ballast. It is confined to the steel swing-keel of about 60kg.

    3. The fact that the boat can tip easily and stabilises readily at 180deg, making it difficult to right.

    The measures I plan to take to deal with these issues:

    1. Install a water tight bulkhead as part of the modifications to accommodate the new mast. This will allow the bow to float as high as possible.

    2. Make the new mast step as water tight as possible to reduce water ingress in a knockdown.

    3. Adding as much floatation as possible (at least 600kg of displacement), probably in the form of cheap styrofoam blocks under the deck and cabin floor, and in the rear of the side storage lockers. This to try to make the boat sit as high in the water as possible in a knockdown, making it easier to self-right or to be righted manually.

    4. Adding about 150kg or more balast as low as possible, possibly in the form of lead bolted to the skeg/keel somewere.

    5. Making the mast as buoyant as possible, possibly with seals at the ends and/or a mast float to make the mast positively buoyant to reduce the likelihood of a 180 knockdown.

    Can you think of anything else I could do? Another weakness is that the centreboard trunk lets water into the cabin in a knockdown. What could be done to reduce this, other than making the boat sit higher in the water?

  • 27 Jan 2016 11:22
    Reply # 3784772 on 3778036
    Deleted user

    Thanks Arne. So I think I will be safe with 100mm at the base, and even if it is straight aluminium tube, with that height the load will be well within the load bearing factor, even if it is standard alloy. Even better if I can get T6 grade.

    Another factor with a free standing mast I have read about is that as the load increases it is visually aparent and the increased bend in the mast will indicate time to reef. This doesn't happen with a Bermudan rig, where the only indication of over stressing of the rig is when stays suddenly break or fittings pull out of the boat, making it almost impossible to react in time to prevent complete failure.

    Am I correct here?

  • 26 Jan 2016 14:34
    Reply # 3782240 on 3778036
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Steve,
    I like that you are load conscious, but I think you will be all right here. One issue with rising and falling AR with constant number of panels, is the ratio “P/B”, shown in Practical Junk Rig, PJR. P is the vertical height of a parallelogram panel. Although I have drawn a range of master sails with AR from 1.80 to 2.25, I have only built and used sails between AR of 1.87 and 2.15.

    The P/B of that AR-2.15 sail (Broremann) was 0.6m/2.45m = 0.245,

    and Johanna’s AR-1.87 sail had P/B = 1.2m/5,8m=0.207.
    (The P/B of the master sails is shown in Fig 4.5 in Chapter 4 of TCPJR).
    The difference does not sound radical, but here is how I reason:

    • ·         When the AR of a 7-panel sail raises much over 2.15,  the spans of luff between the battens may end up so tall that the luff gets reluctant to stay straight  without a downhaul to stretch it. Better then to make the sail with eight panels.

    • ·         When the AR drops below 1.85, I am worried that it will be difficult to produce as much camber (6 – 8%) as I want. Better then to make the sail with six panels.

    Battens
    On the sail of Frøken Sørensen the boom and most battens are 22/2mm (batten 2 is 35/2mm). These are on the light side for her, but are probably plenty good on your boat.

    Finally, your boat is very generously rigged, even by my standards. This is an argument for choosing the 6-panel rig; to shorten the mast as much as possible. I would also encourage you to fit the heavier centre-plate you talked about  -  and compensate with more flotation...

    Good luck.
    Arne

     

  • 26 Jan 2016 10:58
    Reply # 3781867 on 3778036
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    I like the 6 panel version. Less work and seems to achieve the same result. Will the stressess on the panels be much more? A simple calculation would seem to suggest .1666 more area for each panel, so the same extra wind pressure on each panel.

  • 26 Jan 2016 10:48
    Reply # 3781799 on 3781130
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    That sounds reasonable, or maybe even a little over the top, but it depends of what alloy you use. How much will it weigh?

    BTW, tonight I drew up another version, this time a 6-panel sail. I added it as an appendix to the last note.

    Arne

     


    I would think a maximum of 20kg with everything fitted. A 6.5m tube 100mm x 3mm weighs 16.4kg. With 3 sections of reducing diameter it should be less than that. The difficulty is going to get tube sizes that will nest reasonably. I will have to source a few different suppliers I think to get what I will need.

    If I can only afford the standard softer alloy I might need to look at a low aspect sail to reduce stresses higher up the mast, but this is what I used for my last boat and I have had no sign of bending in any conditions so far.

    If I was to use a straight sided mast of 100mm x 6.2m would that work ok do you think?
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  • 25 Jan 2016 23:13
    Reply # 3781130 on 3778036
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    That sounds reasonable, or maybe even a little over the top, but it depends of what alloy you use. How much will it weigh?

    BTW, tonight I drew up another version, this time a 6-panel sail. I added it as an appendix to the last note.

    Arne

     

  • 25 Jan 2016 22:23
    Reply # 3781094 on 3778036
    Deleted user
    Ok, I think I've managed to make sense of your mathematical gobbledygook Arne, and I am able to work out the dimensions of the sail, and the panel cambers.

    Now I need to consider a mast.

    I was considering a 3 section nesting mast of aluminium tube. I did this for my sailing dinghy according to the B & B Yachts design. The tubes are of decreasing diameter and the gap is filled with fibreglass cloth and epoxy wrapping. It makes for a very strong mast and lighter than a straight aluminium tube.

    If I start with a bottom section of 101.6 x 3mm and then progressively smaller, would that work for the JR?


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  • 24 Jan 2016 23:17
    Reply # 3778723 on 3778720
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Steve,

    yes I realise now that page 1 became a bit over-loaded.  I will see if I can make a drawing with correct dimensions on it one of these days.

    However, you should be able to find the numbers yourself. Then you need...

    • a print-out of the master sail with AR=1.85, found on Chapter 4 (Both sheet 1 and 2) 
    • A calculator and pencil
    • That linear scale factor  F=0.67953

    By multiplying all the dimensions on than master sail (not areas) with F (0.67953), you will find all the dimensions for your sail. It shouldn't take more time for you than for me.

    Arne


    Thanks Arne, I'll try that. If I run into any problems I'll ask.
  • 24 Jan 2016 23:04
    Reply # 3778720 on 3778036
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Steve,

    yes I realise now that page 1 became a bit over-loaded.  I will see if I can make a drawing with correct dimensions on it one of these days.

    However, you should be able to find the numbers yourself. Then you need...

    • a print-out of the master sail with AR=1.85, found on Chapter 4 (Both sheet 1 and 2) 
    • A calculator and pencil
    • That linear scale factor  F=0.67953

    By multiplying all the dimensions on than master sail (not areas) with F (0.67953), you will find all the dimensions for your sail. It shouldn't take more time for you than for me.

    Arne

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