Degradation of carbon fibre by exposure to UV

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  • 18 Apr 2015 22:58
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    Heau heau!

  • 18 Apr 2015 13:41
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    How about Belle - because she is so beautiful, and she has a beau. 

  • 18 Apr 2015 10:06
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    A little lengthy for a mayday - when it's all falling to pieces at Carnegie Hall maybe.

  • 17 Apr 2015 23:09
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    Gerald O'Brien wrote:

    Hmmm. So is it to be muslin or a black silk gown? Clearly this instrument is female, like our boats. Suggestions for a name, anyone?

    Well, now, let me think. Turning Annie's name for her new boat back to front, I come up with: "Muslin Is Louche; Black Is Sexy".
    Mil-Bis.

    Doesn't quite work, does it?

  • 17 Apr 2015 22:25
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    Hmmm. So is it to be muslin or a black silk gown? Clearly this instrument is female, like our boats. Suggestions for a name, anyone?

  • 15 Apr 2015 20:44
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    Gerry, kept out of direct sunlight, there's absolutely no cause for concern. There might be some yellowing in time, but you could consider this as being equivalent to the darkening of a Strad over a century or three.

    However, you might consider a muslin cover, through which the luscious curves could still be seen. And then your first, warm-up piece could be The Dance of the Seven Veils.

  • 12 Apr 2015 12:18
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    Hi Gerry. Hope all's well. Our 1988 Freedom 39 has carbon masts which were Awlgripped from new, apparently. Although the masts show some signs of the paint chalking and of course being abraded the carbon beneath should be fine. Some Freedoms' masts were left black. Awlgrip yer cello!

  • 11 Apr 2015 07:14
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    Very helpful comments all. Thank you.

    With best wishes,

    Gerry.

  • 09 Apr 2015 06:27
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    I looked into this when David and I were making wingsail bits.  Arne is right that the resin is what you have to worry about, most epoxies suffer from UV degradation.  However, a professionally made Cello may have other coatings to shield the epoxy from UV, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.  

    The other thing to consider (both for battens and Cellos) is the Glass Transition temperature or Heat Deflection temperature of the epoxy.  For battens made with West System 105 epoxy this can be as low as 52C.  So, carbon fibre battens left in natural black could get more than hot enough to deform or fail (painted white or covered in a light colour sailcloth it is unlikely to be a problem).  With the Cello, you'd once again have to check with the manufacturer, different resin systems can withstand much higher temps.  

    I would guess that if you move a piece of furniture in the room and find that the carpet is not significantly faded compared to the spot covered by the furniture, then your cello is likely to be fine in its shady abode.

  • 08 Apr 2015 17:46
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    Gerald.

    I could be very wrong on this, but I suspect that any possible UV problem depends more on the resin used than the fibre. I doubt if carbon itself is vulnerable to UV-radiation. Maybe the maker of that cello could advise you.

    Now I see on the web that they sell something called museum film to fit onto windows, to reduce fading (see link below). Another method is to simply make a bag-like “dust cover”  and slip it over the cello when it is not in use. Made from black, thick silk cloth, with a yellow “boltrope” attached, it would look quite elegant.  

    Arne

    PS: (BTW, my 50 years old trumpet is fortunately UV-resistant...)

    http://www.windowfilm.co.uk/commercial/fading

    PPS: Fours strings, Ash, four...
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