New sail plans for Shoestring

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  • 08 Nov 2014 20:45
    Reply # 3146010 on 3138921
    Haha, she's no featherweight for sure and judging by the lower diameter of the existing mast (285mm) that IS what Gary Underwood was calculating for. The method you shared to calculate mast strength has big help. It means I can parlez more sensibly with spar makers. Y Thanks you for that kind sir.
  • 08 Nov 2014 15:25
    Reply # 3145356 on 3138921
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Sorry, but without any data about wall thickness , the sort of alloy used, or a column with calculated breaking (or yield) strength (moment), that file is of little help.

    Arne

    PS: I also miss a column where the weight of the masts can be written.

    Last modified: 08 Nov 2014 15:30 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 08 Nov 2014 14:54
    Reply # 3145334 on 3145240
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    PS: I have lost track of where that mast database is. It would be interesting to have a closer look at Tystie and her rig.

    Here ya go.


  • 08 Nov 2014 09:13
    Reply # 3145240 on 3138921
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Roger, if your boat has grown to 6 tons (metric) then she is in the Tystie class or there about. 12600kpm wooden mast wold be equal to a diameter of 31cm (with 20% wall thickness)! Sounds like a heavy schwein to me. I try to keep the weight of my spruce masts not over 3% of the displacement of the boat. In that  case the mast should not be over 180kg.

    Arne

    PS: I have lost track of where that mast database is. It would be interesting to have a closer look at Tystie and her rig.

    Last modified: 08 Nov 2014 09:15 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 08 Nov 2014 08:42
    Reply # 3145234 on 3138921

    Going by the formulas, if I up the displacement to 6 tonnes,  I calculate the breaking moment to be around 10,500kpm using CF and using timber around 12,600kpm. Does that sound right, and what is normal?

  • 08 Nov 2014 07:47
    Reply # 3145229 on 3138921

    Maybe the numbers are based the boat carrying a greater load than I do. In the paperwork there is a list of materials that the previous owner proposed to carry and total displacement came to about 6.5 tonnes.

  • 07 Nov 2014 22:38
    Reply # 3145083 on 3145048
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Annie Hill wrote:Arne, I'm afraid that in his enthusiasm, Gary can sometimes be a little careless with his drawings and calculations.  This might be what has happened here.

    Ah, a soul mate  -  that sounds like me!
  • 07 Nov 2014 21:28
    Reply # 3145048 on 3138921
    Arne, I'm afraid that in his enthusiasm, Gary can sometimes be a little careless with his drawings and calculations.  This might be what has happened here.
  • 07 Nov 2014 21:23
    Reply # 3145040 on 3138921
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Now I have had a look at the curve (downloaded and zoomed in). There is some sort of mismatch, either in the curves or just in my head.  The lowest (dash) curve appears to be the righting arm curve at just below 0.7m at 60deg heel. That looks reasonable,

    Then there is a matching line(full) which could indicate a max righting moment of 4800kpm at 60deg heel. Problem is, it would take a displacement of almost 6.9tons to achieve that righting moment with a righting arm of 0.7m (4800/0.7=6857).

    I hope there is someone out there who can explain this  - I don't get it.

    Arne

  • 07 Nov 2014 20:42
    Reply # 3145023 on 3138921

    Hi Arne,

    Yes, when I  first got Shoestring, I understood that 160 degrees is the capsize point and that when empty, the righting point is about 130 degrees.

    I am not at all familiar with these calculations and figures and I hope I was reading the drawing correctly. I have  however uploaded a jpeg of the curve  to illustrations. Perhaps you could double check?

    Appreciated!

    Roger


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