Outboard well for Mariposa

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  • 30 Oct 2013 22:06
    Reply # 1424923 on 1420567
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    Or you can centre the outboard, turn up the friction knob and just use the tiller. Some OB's will stay put.
  • 30 Oct 2013 17:37
    Reply # 1424720 on 1420567

    Arne

    Thanks for the encouragement!  I've start drawing up some possible solutions.

    Oscar

    I agree with all of your points.  Interesting that you centre the tiller and just use the outboard.

    Peter

  • 30 Oct 2013 15:35
    Reply # 1424608 on 1420567
    I have the outboard mounted on a bracket on the stern but I don't use the tiller at all. I lock it in the center position and use the engine to turn. I can rotate 360 degrees on the spot. It's a little uncomfortable to reach down to but it works well. That said I would rather have an outboard well because:

    1. An outboard on the stern is ugly
    2a. It doesn't stay submerged if there are moderate waves
    2b. With a well I could do with a normal length shaft outboard which is easier to replace than a longer shaft one.
    3. It interferes with the self-steering gear.
  • 29 Oct 2013 22:13
    Reply # 1424112 on 1420567
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I know Bika. She was called Red Moon when she lived in Lundsvågen, my harbour. I would not be put off by their motor problems. If you choose the right engine and are careful with how you install it (easy access to the gear handle, for instance), it needs not be a problem. In my friend's IF, very similar to a Contessa, it certainly worked well. The engine, a 6hp, 4-stroke Suzuki, with a long leg, was fitted with the right propeller and was up to the job. At only 26kg, it was easy to swing up and down. Before installing the bracket, we did a lot of measuring, and the result was good. Remember, some motor models can also be fitted with remote control.

    All this may sound difficult, but I bet it is easier than constructing a safe outboard well.

    A.

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  • 29 Oct 2013 21:54
    Reply # 1424100 on 1420567

    Arne

    Because of the aft deck and the sloping stern, if you put the outboard on a standard bracket, it's almost impossible to control the tiller and the outboard single-handed.  I've been in touch with a Norwegian couple who live on a Contessa 26 (Bika... not junk rigged) and they had an outboard on a bracket.  Basically when operating it one of them handled the outboard and one the tiller. They actually gave the outboard away after a while, due to the difficulty in operation, and now sail without an engine. 

     

    Peter

  • 29 Oct 2013 21:06
    Reply # 1424072 on 1420567
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

                                                                  Stavanger, Tuesday

    Peter,

    just a question: What  is the problem with fitting the outboard engine outboard? There are thousands of Folkboats, both Nordic, and International, with outboards fitted on the stern. The IFs actually have a motor well below the aft deck, but most owners (3800built) have closed that well forever.

    Arne

    Last modified: 29 Oct 2013 21:18 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 29 Oct 2013 19:03
    Reply # 1423990 on 1420567

    Slieve

     

    Many thanks for your input.  I'm still examining the options and of course I've got the yuloh to play with as well.

     

    Peter

  • 28 Oct 2013 00:10
    Reply # 1422497 on 1420567

    Hi Peter

    I’ve sailed a friend’s Hunter Horizon 23 with an outboard rigged in the port cockpit locker. It was a good system that worked well. My friend didn’t have a door to close the hole in the bottom of the hull when the engine was raised, but that was not a major problem. When upright the hole was clear out of the water. The boat was fairly broad beamed and had good form stability, and sailed well at a fairly low angle of heel. When on starboard tack there wasn’t a great swirl of water in the outboard bay to drown the engine.

    Mariposa is a Contessa 26 which is based on the Folkboat hull. These boats have less form stability than the Hunter range, and tend to sail at a greater angle of heel. I would suggest that you mark up the hull with the probable hull opening and sail the boat on the tack with the hole submerged to see how wet the locker would be, even with a hatch over the opening. These opening are usually not watertight, so there could be a flooding problem with the wineglass hull shape as opposed to the round bilge Hunter hull.

    Folkboats have a lower after deck and tend to use a track along the aft deck to drop the outboard in the water when wanted, and to lift is clear when not. The alternative is a side mount on the quarter, which may be a practical solution for your boat.

    Cheers, Slieve.

    PS. I believe the Sonata, Duet and Horizon 23 all share the same hull shape. I have also sailed a Sonata with a transom mounted outboard, on a lifting mount which worked quite well.

    Last modified: 28 Oct 2013 17:59 | Anonymous member
  • 25 Oct 2013 10:10
    Reply # 1421028 on 1420567

    Thanks David and Annie.  I've tracked down an Imapala locally and it looks like a good solution. 

    Peter

  • 25 Oct 2013 05:28
    Reply # 1420986 on 1420567
    The Hunter 'Duet' had an excellent system that allowed the engine to be both secure and protected when not in use.
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