Time to get junk rigged!

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  • 13 Jul 2015 18:27
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    Oscar

    I spent two years working in Malta - wonderful place to live and an ideal sailing base - got to be worth a change of boat and boating plans!

    Chris

  • 13 Jul 2015 17:39
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    Well that was short lived. I just found out  that the company I'm working for  is being sold and relocated to Malta, including employees. Good opportunity careerwise but pretty bad in terms of my current boat and its future. 

    I won't mind the Mediterranean climate but it looks like I have to get myself a new boat and convert it some time down the line. Or have one (something like a larger Sib-Lim perhaps) built, which I might be able to afford in 2-3 years. 

    The deal is not closed but I expect it to be with 90% certainty. So if anyone is interested in buying a junk rig project located in the Finnish Gulf, let me know...

  • 08 Jul 2015 10:42
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    Bushings was the term I was looking for, thanks. :) Couldn't find any HDPE bushings but I just ordered some nylon ones, they should arrive during next week. I got the sail transported back to my garage the other day and the weather forecast for the following 10 days shows rain, rain, rain and rain, so I won't have to feel that bad about not being able to go sailing. I have plenty of time to do some sewing and making the needed reinforcements to the coach roof. I'm hoping to have the boat back to operational before August when my vacation starts, preferably a bit before as I have friends lining up who'd very much like to go for a little sail around the bay.

  • 07 Jul 2015 19:21
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    The Sail looks great Oscar, it is really nice to see it taken from concept to sailing.  I look forward to hearing further reports and hope you do continue on with the modification to wingsail.  It will be interesting to see how the figure-8 hinge line holds up, it would be nice if the dyneema were durable enough on its own, although some little bushings out of HDPE would likely solve any problems with wear.

  • 03 Jul 2015 13:16
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    A lot of rope is required for that method though. Some 50-ish meters in my case, whereas I now need under 10. And it doesn't work for my boom which is made out of solid wood* as I ran out of aluminium tubing due to changing from wing sail to flat.

    *) The wooden battens have aluminum tube ends at the hinges.

  • 03 Jul 2015 10:00
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    dennis gibbons wrote:

    Thanks for the CAD drawings link. I look forward to your blog an the fabrication process.

     

    Just a thought; using line of any sort would seem to be an invitation to chaff and failure.  What about wire ? 

    Or running the line longitudinally through the hinge and attaching it to the luff and leach?

     

    Dennis


    I used hinged battens for a couple of seasons. There was no sign of chafe on the internal (3-4mm) polyester line. The line was stretched and secured at the batten ends before inserting the battens into the batten pockets. If you look up NL 24, p.26, that is exactly what I am about to do. I pulled the line out as hard as I could and then secured it with a Vice-grip, which let me make a stop-knot. The result was good tension and no problems
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  • 02 Jul 2015 17:45
    Reply # 3416956 on 1414460

    Wire could be an alternative, but I could also use some kind of plastic "collar" around the holes in the battens to reduce chafe. 

  • 02 Jul 2015 14:37
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    Thanks for the CAD drawings link. I look forward to your blog an the fabrication process.


    Just a thought; using line of any sort would seem to be an invitation to chaff and failure.  What about wire ? 

    Or running the line longitudinally through the hinge and attaching it to the luff and leach?


    Dennis

  • 02 Jul 2015 11:47
    Reply # 3416622 on 1414460

    Sail over to Tallinn went okay. Close-hauled for most of the trip, except for the last 10 miles (around 140 in total). All in all the sail worked well. Didn't experience any problems with the hinges, they articulated exactly as they should. Interestingly, the performance seemed noticeably worse on the "bad" port tack. People usually say it doesn't matter much, but I really thought it did and this makes me want to complete the upgrade to a wing sail some time in the future (next summer probably). I can reuse all of the battens and hinges so it's just a matter of building the noses and adding some canvas around the front part of the sail.

    Some problems:

    - The starboard lazyjack grommet was ripped out of the canvas but fortunately the port one held so I could jury rig it to the aft end of the boom, which worked fine for the rest of the trip. Need to further reinforce the triangle that holds the jack.

    - The dyneema I used for the batten parrels loosened up the constrictor knots so I had to tighten them once. I will need to change them to either double constrictors or lock the ends somehow.

    - The sail has chafed at the batten pockets where the battens rubbed against the mast. No surprise there, I had intended to add some doubling (and plastic hose around the batten for dampening noise) but simply forgot about it. Easy fix.

    - The dog house and cockpit sides oscillates/flexes in response to the mast when running into waves. I found it somewhat concerning. Even if it holds now, GRP becomes brittle over time if allowed to flex like this right? Also, methinks something like a knockdown might rip off the whole dog house, which is not a particularly pleasant prospect. The dog house is made in a single GRP laminate, so it might be a solution to laminate a new inner layer of GRP with something in between, to form a sandwiched construction. Maybe also add a partial bulkhead ahead of the companionway, which would also enable me to move the galley there from its current position forward behind the main bulkhead.

    Ash: I actually had some spinnaker cloth that I indended to make a telltale or two from but I forgot it in Finland. The canvas is regular polytarp, cost me a whooping €55 for 85 sqm of it. Now that I know that the rig works I might invest more money for some better canvas. Given my experience with this one I could probably knock up a new one in 3-5 days.

    Dennis: Here's the CAD drawing I made of the hinges, which was used to machine them.

    Arne: I hadn't seen Victor's cones, they're quite similar to mine except that mine are longer, the ends are 10 mm in diameter. Mine have a hole in the center as well, and the battens are tied to each other using dyneema in a figure eight. Everything held together during the trip but I need to take out a batten or two to check for chafe as I can imagine the edges of the holes in the aluminium can be quite rough on the rope.

    I'll upload pictures of the different build phases to my blog probably some time during the weekend.

  • 01 Jul 2015 18:40
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    Congratulations to Oscar, and thanks for the video!

    This is a most elegant and simple sail David has designed here. Efficient it seems to be as well. Now Oscar’s Fingal 27 is probably also an easy glider in light winds. Her designer, Knud H Reimers is well known in Scandinavia for his fast skerry cruisers, and would hardly be able to design a slow boat, even if he tried.

    The hinge which Oscar shows us in his blog is very similar to the one Victor Winterthun suggested in Newsletter 51 (Aug 2008), Page 5. I think Victor meant it to be machined from aluminium, for strength. Note that he also designed a hole for a line to pass through it. Such an internal line makes it easier to keep the batten assembled, with less risk of losing bits over board. See NL 24, p. 22 (1992) for more about hinged battens with internal line in it.

    Arne

    PS: I left the hinged batten concept early, since I felt the hinges might be a trouble spot...

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